Baby, I Wasn’t Cheating, I Was Just Texting

June 29th 2009 in Relationships/Love, Technology

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When it comes to relationships, I think most would agree that the biggest form of betrayal is cheating. If your boo gives ups the goods to somebody else it’s a wrap. Well, in most cases. Some folks are mature enough (depending on how you look at it) to forgive and not forget, while others are not strong enough to walk away from a bad thing.

People love to throw around little catch phrases like, “Once a cheater, always a cheater,” or “If he/she cheated once, they’ll do it again.” That’s cool, but what exactly is cheating? I know how absurd that may sound but hear me out.

People always seem to focus in on physical cheating—primarily sex with someone other than your partner—but some would argue that there are other levels of cheating that hurt just as much if not more.

My good friend and fellow blogger Aliya S. King hit me on IM the other day about “techno-cheating.” The term was new to me but I was familiar with the overall premise. Basically, it’s when your man or woman is using technology (text, IM, e-mail, etc.) to have flirtatious communications with someone of the opposite sex. This other person could be as harmless as an out of state acquaintance or as suspicious as an ex lover or online “friend.”

Aliya is actually working on an article for Upscale magazine and wanted my thoughts on the subject to be quoted as a relationship expert (hey, now I’m an all-star). So that’s what led me to today’s topic.

I think the issue here is physical vs. emotional cheating. Sex is cut and dry. When your man’s penis is inserted into some other chick’s love box or vice versa you’ve crossed the line. You cheated. End of story. Now, it’s when your partner is emotionally involved with someone else without the physical dynamic things get a little blurry.

I’ll start by saying I don’t think there’s anything wrong with flirting—even when you’re in a relationship. Just because you’re with someone doesn’t mean you’re blind. Besides, having someone other than your mate find you attractive can be a huge ego boost. The problem is when things are disrespectful to the one you’re with. Oh, and for the slow, don’t go on “dates” with someone else when you’re in a relationship. Duh!

In regards to techno-cheating specifically, if your man or woman is sexting half-naked flicks to their “friend” or having drawn out IM conversations about sex, there may be cause for concern. Even if it doesn’t lead to anything physical, for whatever reason, the fact your mate is emotionally intimate with someone else could be considered cheating in some people’s book—especially women.

I’ve heard it said before that men cheat for physical pleasure and women cheating for emotional pleasure. If true, who’s more in the wrong? The man that slept with some random chick he doesn’t even care about or the woman who fell in love with the guy that blew her back out? Technically, they’re both wrong, but if I had to choose I’d lean more towards the latter.

As kids we were taught that “sticks and stones can break your bones, but words will never hurt you.” I believe the thinking behind that is that because words are not physical they can’t do damage. Over the years I’ve grown to see that was a bunch of bologna. Ask anybody  that was teased as a kid if words don’t hurt. Just like if you punch me in the face, my fat lip will heal in a couple of days and be forgotten as soon as the pain fades. Break my heart, though, and I’ll never forget you and carry that pain around for a lifetime.

With that said, I feel like emotional cheating can hurt a heck of a lot more than physical. That’s not to say I condone cheating in any form—because betrayal is betrayal—but the idea of possessing someone’s body for a moment is less than owning their heart for a lifetime.

On the flipside of the coin, though, is the non-physical techno-cheating Aliya was talking about. Do you consider it cheating if your partner has sexual conversations with someone else via texts, IM or email? Or are you cool with digital flirting as long as it stays online/text? Do things have to get physical (i.e. sex, kissing) to be considered cheating in your book? Where do you draw the line when it comes to whom your partner communicates with through text, IM and email? How much responsibility do you think your partner has is stopping the advances when it’s the other person that’s being the aggressor? What do you consider inappropriate conversations for your partner to be having with someone of the opposite sex? Have you ever techno-cheated? Did you get caught?

Speak your piece…

P.S.
If you have any crazy techno-cheating stories you’d like to share anonymously with Upscale or know someone that does, feel free to hit up Aliya at aliyasking@gmail.com
. She’d love to hear from you. Hint. Hint.

***SAVE THE DATE***

NWSO’s one-year anniversary party in NYC Thursday, July 9th. Details to come.

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81 comments to...
“Baby, I Wasn’t Cheating, I Was Just Texting”
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da ThRONe

Cheating has nothing to do with sex! Cheating is beeing dishonest with your parther! So if you know you cant go back and tell your S.O. what you did. Guess what you are a cheater!

There are couples that have open relationships and sex isnt cheating it is accepted and encouraged.


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Latsyrc41

I…um….actually have had a bit of experience with this. There’s this married guy I…maybe I’ll tell aliyasking instead…LOL

Ugh. Confession is good for the soul right?


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Latsyrc41

@da ThRONe

“Open relationships” are unfathomable to me…I can’t imagine. Maybe I’m immature.


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da ThRONe

@Latsyrc41

Open relationships arent a black and white thing. If you feel that you cant share your mate its your choose. I seriously doubt that I could. I really dont want to ,but if my girl was into I could try it for her.


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Latsyrc41

@da ThRONe

It seems…absurd. Why are you in a committed relationship with me if you want to fuck other people? I’m not actually grilling you…LOL, I just don’t understand it. I couldn’t do it. I never did like sharing my toys.


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Latsyrc41

@NWSO do you want an anniversary present?


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NWSO

@Latsyrc41

No need unless your heart and pockets are just screaming to do so. lol

I just appreciate continued support, feedback and help promoting the blog.


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da ThRONe

@Latsyrc41

Different strokes for different folks(pun definitely intended)! LMAO

Some people get off in seeing there lover pleased by someone else. I guess being a dude its easier for me to seperate my emotion from sex. I want a commited relationship for the company the sex is just an added bonus!

As a man my greatest fantasy is to sleep with two bi-sexual women at the same time. So I can see the appeal of it to someone else.


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da ThRONe

Since I cant come to the shindig Im not buying anything! LOL


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Latsyrc41

@NWSO

I only discovered your blog a short time ago, but I’ve already told you how much I love it and your writing. I’d like to give you a token of my appreciation…within reason of course. LOL What’s on your wish list?


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Latsyrc41

LOL @da ThRONe

I was laughing at the not buying anything comment, not the other.

I agree with you about wanting the committed relationship for the company or companionship.

Hmmm, you run the risk of being ignored with 2 bisexual women…lol…trust me.


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NWSO

@Latsyrc41

Honestly, I suck at wish lists. having a birthday the day after Christmas I’ve learned not to expect anything. And I was raised never to ask, I usually get what I need independently.

So really it’s no bother, if you decide to I’m sure it;ll be appreciated.


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Latsyrc41

@NWSO

I’m the same way, when people (not S.O.s) ask what I want for my birthday or Christmas, I always say “peace on earth and good will toward men and women.”

But, I’ve found that sometimes the ask and you shall receive thing actually works.

I don’t know you well enough to pick out a gift for the man with everything. LOL

If anyone else who knows NWSO wants to give me suggestions, that would be great. More socks maybe?


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July

Cheating is cheating whether its emotional or physical, the fact that your S.O stepped out on you in any way just shows that they do not respect you or the relationship you guys as a couple have built so far.

Off topic: When someone asks me what I want for a birthday or something I give them a long list for them to choose from but the present I want will be at the top highlighted in red or highlighted by the shrill of my voice.


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Latsyrc41

LMAO @July “…highlighted by the shrill of my voice.”


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Manhattan Chic

umm in general who gives a stranger a present. like what would be the reason and im sure nwso would feel weird accepting it but whatever.

wow the whole online thing should be considered cheating because i am actually sexting through myspace as of lately. its weird and even though you and the person aren’t talking on the phone or seeing each other there is more to it that just words. i feel like in order to sext you have to be missing somethng in your relationship. maybe your man or woman aren’t freaky enough or don’t listen to you in the bedroom. regardless i feel like after your in a relationship you should not be getting to know people of the opposite sex to well because you will eventually come to topics of sex that will make you too curious for your own good. As far as my sexting and the regular guy i am dealing with, sexting made me more interested in the online guy because hes a mystery.


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Shay from L.A. (Los Angeles)

Cyber/Techno Cheating is cheating!


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da ThRONe

@Latsyrc41

Not if I pay for the two bi shorties! lol


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Latsyrc41

@Manhattan Chic
I’ve given plenty of gifts for birthdays or other occasions to people who were casual acquaintances (or relatives of friends, etc.). I also bring a gift when I’m invited to or going to someone’s home for the first time…I like giving gifts and I don’t always need an occasion to do it.

@NWSO
If it makes you feel “weird” to receive an anniversary present from a total stranger, I’ll abstain and just convey my thanks and congratulations. Sorry about that.

@da ThRONe
Yeah, that would keep you in the middle of the action for sure…LOL


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Elle

Personally, I don’t rely on the word “cheating” to define what’s ok in my relationship and what isn’t because I find it hard to define the term in a way it covers every possible scenario.

So I simply refer to the good old “If you wouldn’t do it while I am present, you probably shouldn’t be doing it.”- adage.
Or: when in doubt about whether your behaviour would hurt me or not, it’s best to refrain from it because it probably would.

PS: Why am I always getting disconnected from the internet when I am on your page?


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MadeMeThink

The emotional aspect of cheating hurts much worse than the physical. N doing anything behind my back that you can’t do/say while i’m around is cheating point blank, period! My question is: Is it possible to be n a happily committed relationship or marriage w/someone else n share pretty heavy emotional txt msgs with someone else who lives out of town n u never see just for the thrill? In other words is it possible that u could really be happy with ur SO to NOT mean the things u say to this other person? Can it just be for fun, or do u think there are underlyin reasons for this type of infidelity??


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Optical_ Illusion

Thoughts become actions.

No phone boning, cyber fucking, or sexting allowed.


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July

@MadeMeThink

Now I am no expert like the esteemed NWSO however IMHO what you just described (thats if I interpreted “heavy emotional texts” correctly) is just as shady. My question would be what is that person not getting out of their relationship with their S.O that they feel they need to go somewhere else and get it.

Like Elle said, if a person is at the point where they have to wonder whether the actions they are taking would hurt their partner or make it an uncomfortable situation if the partner found out then that should be an immediate red hot flag. It’s even worse where there is some amount of hiding away or sneaking the text messages in (which is what I would assume would happen), that flag won’t just be red hot anymore it will have burst into flames.

With matters of the heart there is no such thing as “just for fun” well at least in my world there isn’t. No one wastes their time texting heavy emotional messages unless they are getting some kind of rise out of it, the type of rise their partner would not appreciate.


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MizzRenea

I believe cheating is cheating regardless however, i have been talking about this topic for a minute with some of my girls. The emotional aspect of cheating definately hurts me more than the physical part. Yes cheating is wrong but i of course being human understand we mess up from time to time. If my man goes out and has a one night stand with some girl yes i’d be mad and hurt but in all reality if i love him i’ll get over it. However, if the man i love decides to go out on a “date” or have extensive intimate conversations with another woman i wouldnt just be hurt i’d be devistated. I’ve learned that for a man to get emotionally attached to a female it takes time and men take longer to open up. So that being said if a man is cheating on you to the level that he’s really getting to know another female on an intimate and personal level, we’d definately have a huge problem…..

As for cheating via email, text or IM yes i’ve done it and yes i got caught. We worked through and lasted another 2 years but its definately 2009 and cheating in other ways is a possiblity now. Coversations, texts and emails are definately not what they used to be.

Do you ever think that maybe thats why so many marriage now a days dont work……because there are so many different ways to do stuff and hide or cover it up and the technology just adds to it and helps along the process……?????


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Samantha

I’ve actually been in a situation where i was “techno-cheating” with a friend i went to H.S with, and my current boyfriend at the time had found out. He then expressed that if i chose to continue having sexual converstations with him, that i might as well be with him.
I thought it was just harmless converstation at the time, and never thought it would later cause problems in my relationship.
Trust issues began to form, and he was emotionally hurt by my actions. There was also the factor that i did express that at one point in time i did want to have sex with my friend from H.S., so that didn’t help the situation at all either.

Seeing that I have matured (I feel as though i have, I’m only 22) since this occured I do agree that this is an issue & it can cause problems if not discussed what exactly cheating is in one’s eye.

Thanks again NSWO for your blog post, and i wish i could make the party, but I’ll be in Ny later in the month. Enjoy yourself. :)

XoXo,
Sam


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Dray

@MadeMe Think

Yes it is shady as you would say and I feel it is a form of cheating even though it may not be physical. Towards the end of my last relationship I had started chatting with this guy online which then led to texting. We text each other all day everyday. Like I’ve heard others on here say I think it was more an emotional thing for me because my so called S.O. ignored me most of the time. There was no emotional connection towards the end on his part (although he wouldn’t admit it) so I filled my days talking to my other friend. He would text or called me everyday to check on me and chat which was more than I got from the man I was having a relationship with. Even though I’ve broken up with the S.O. my phone friend and I still talk or text every day.


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Dc Man with a Plan

I commend Elle for laying it out in a manner that is difficult to wiggle around…lol…Basically, it appears no one likes the thought of being cheated on or taken for granted by having their S.O have some level of electronic emotional association with another…..Treat others as you want to be treated? All of that sounds good, but it certainly doesn’t reflect the reality that occurs day in and day out. New age methods for cheating just add a different twist to what has continued to be a major part of the history between man/woman interactions. I have female friends with whom I flirt and talk shyt to all the time and my main baby-girl doesn’t like it at ALL…lol….She thinks she’s the one for me for all time…I do not share that thought, but IF I did, I would willingly send out messages stating don’t send me any pic’s or text that I can’t show to my baby-girl…..As far as what she does……I don’t go looking and she doesn’t do anything visibly outta the box, so whatever she does and how she carries herself works for me. But I do acknowledge that on-line flirting and texting and whateva, does amount to what is known as cheating if it’s something you can’t, or don’t share with your S.O. IMO, if you can’t fathom changing phones with your S.O for a week, without making frantic calls to people to tell them NOT to call you for that week….or if you can’t share your e-mail passwords with your S.O….You’re probably doing something border line suspicious if not down right out there……..


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Dc Man with a Plan

@ Made me think…..I think it is pretty much unanimous that you can’t be in a successful committed relationship/marriage AND be involved in texting and sharing emotional bonds with another on a “fun” tip. THAT might be what ones mind would like to think, but real life just doesn’t go that way. Now, if it’s one of those ‘open relationships’ DaThrone mentioned–maybe that fits people with that status, but for the rest of us, it’s wrong, off, and even if I’m the one doing it, I know it ain’t right…..lol…distance is no longer the barrier it used to be and with EVERY celly having a camera………and web cams, there is no longer the concern about the guy at Ritz camera seeing your naked azz photo’s, so many peoples inhibitions have been over-come…….just look at the pic’s posted on BP for all the world to see


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mjc

If you are in a committed relationship, sexting, cyber/phone sex with another is cheating point blank period. There are no ‘ifs’ or ‘buts’ about it.


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Lonias

Elle did hit it on the head…took the words right out of my mouth…

I am puzzled by something though. Those that seem to see a separation between the “physical” and “emotional” part of cheating. Doesn’t the physical act lead to an emotional response (I would venture to say “pain” in most cases…)?


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NWSO

@Elle

Sorry to hear you’re getting disconnected, are you at work? Maybe your job is thinking the site is x-rated cause of name.

**shrugs**

at least you can get back on


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NWSO

@Lonias

I think there is a separation between the physical and emotional because how some men and women view sex. Traditionally (or stereotypically) men can more easily detach emotion from sex, so a guy could theoretically do “it” strictly based on lust, while usually when a woman gets to a physical act with someone else it requires some sort of mental/emotional attachment.

my 2 cents on that part of it


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jenda

I don’t think this is all that blurry of an issue. DaThrone, you’re right on – if you can’t come home and spell out what you just did with your partner, you probably did some wrong.

A little flirting with the odd stranger isn’t a bad thing; it’s when you take it to that secret level with a friend and start robbing your primary relationship of the energy it probably needs that it turns into a sort of cheating. Everyone defines this differently, and couples should really discuss and know where the boundaries are in their particular relationship. I know people who are in open relationships, and there are very well known factors and actions they have defined which would constitute cheating. I know people who are totally fine with anything up to sex with someone else, as long as their partner is coming home to them. It’s all up to you and your agreement with your partner.

I know that anything I’m doing out in the world, online, texting or irl, needs to be stuff that my husband would be cool with reading or seeing – and I expect and receive the same courtesy from him. I’m not gonna flip out when he watches a cute girl walk down the street or if he flirts a little with the barista; if he’s texting the nitty gritty with a friend though, we have a problem.

Being cute people with exceptionally wonderful personalities ;) we’ve had the odd experience when someone reaches out “in that way” I tend to say something like “woah doggy! I think you forget that I’m an old married lady, if you keep talking to me like this I’m just going to have to stop talking to you at all. How’s that miscellaneous thing we talked about recently going? By the way have you met my totally hot single friend? We should all hang out soon.”


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Elle

Hey DC … yes sir, no wiggle room with my definition. Exactly what I intended.
I’ve spent my younger years wasting my time with trust issues and do not plan to go back to that point. So I figured that if I lay out the boundaries which are involved in being my S.O. as clearly as possible so even a man can comprehend them, there won’t be no surprises when I have to move on because you messed up.

;)

@NWSO

Nope, I’m online at home. Who knows. You’re right though, I can reconnect so I guess it could be worse.


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Aldiddy

I guess if you are pursuing someone that is out side of your relationship (text or otherwise), it is considered cheating. I firmly believe that if all a women were bi-sexual, we wouldnt have this argument. LOL. If all ladies would embrace the beauty of being with another woman and sharing that woman with your man.. there would be more balance. LOL. There would be no need to worry about your man cheating because you both would be looking at the same woman and having the same thoughts.


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Elle

That’s BS.

If you want to live in polygamy become a Mormon.

If you do not want to sleep with the same woman, stay away from committed relationships.

Life aint an amusement park where we can combine everything we dream of into one neat little package.

Wanting to reap the benefits of being in a committed relationship while still enjoying the fun sides of single-dom does not add up.

Besides, who is to say that the woman you might be with doesn’t want another man in the picture (read: bedroom). Would you be cool with that? If not, you should put your parallel-universe-dreams to rest.


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Dc Man with a Plan

Whoa,whoa, Elle….lol…Lets give this idea from Aldiddy a chance to percolate……..Why do only mormons get to be poligamist? I have heard other ethnic groups, such as Native Americans and some African nations also practice the more than one wife way of life. Some say the one woman rule is a European marriage model….But then you had to flip the script and say: what if your woman wanted to add another man to the mix? Whoa,whoa…….hold-on, lets not get CRAZY with this shyt. Precisely your point, right?
<—–still secretly likes Aldiddy’s idea……..lmao…BTW: I also like that back-hand smack at us fellas when you said: so EVEN a man can understand it…..U got JOKES 4 real, 2day…..


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Lonias

@NWSO
That’s true when the man is the cheatER. Because even if his ego is the only part of him that gets bruised, there’s an emotional price paid by the person who gets cheatED (on). I’m with whoever pointed out that the rationalization “it’s just sex” is less attractive when the woman is the cheatER!


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anisha

the vedas say .. love is without attachment … so did osho .. the saint. .. i dont think any human bond is without attachment .. each of us expect certain norms and rules to be followed and sometimes it takes over the essence of the relationship itself.. we get caught up in keeping face.. or sticking by the rules. on the other hand.. is the complete breakdown of a system… finding a middle place is key .. i guess. 22 year old wisdom does not sell , but .. this is what i think.


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da ThRONe

Sex dont always translate to emotion. I have sleep with chicks and didnt even know there names. I dont desire the “Open Relationship” but I dont say that people do it are lying to themselves or they are doing something wrong. Everybody has there thing either you can live with something or you cant but to condemned other people just because you cant isnt right.


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paulette-BAJAN-gal

I found out my husband was cheating from his cell phone detailed bill.There was a number I didn’t recognise as one of our friends.Only called at hours he wasn’t normally at home.

AND…his online status never changed on social networking sites…he was still listed as SINGLE.

But just between me and y’all…don’t tell anyone…I deleted his yahoo account as revenge.I knew the password…went in…deleted that shit.And denied it to this day.We’re divorced so I really don’t care if he’s reading this :-) Yes boo…communicating with a woman that’s not your wife via email and flirting on dating websites is cheating.And the text messaging will be caught…fellows aren’t that vigilant with deleting.

I delete my ish before I step through the man’s door.lmao.Just in case his phone died and he has to use mine.rotfl.


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paulette-BAJAN-gal

(((btw..how can I do the avatar pic again??))


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NWSO

@Paulette

go to gravatar.com and just make sure you put your email address in lowercase on site and when you comment and you should be good for an image icon


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paulette-BAJAN-gal

cool.


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da ThRONe

I never understood cheating to me pussy is pussy. And old pussy knows just how you like it giving it the edge to me. Now if you are a female with that “I dont do” motto(I wouldnt date you in the first place) you will be replaced. If i wanna “Sext” somebody i’ll just “Sext” my damn girlfriend.


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M A R C R OO S E L E R

@Da Throne: From experience, two (or more) bi-women are great! But the transition back to one was a little tricky.

Anyway, any thing that you know your spouse or significant other would be hurt by if they found out is cheating. Even if it isn’t sexual. If it’s not mutual it’s cheating for either gender. Pursuing, emotional, whatever the reason, survey says bzzzzz!

@Lonias: No

This subject is cut and dry to me so no more for me today.


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Deeny

Ans, I agree with the “EGO” factor that u mentioned. We all like to recieve attention from the opposite sex because it serves as a form of validation that we are desired and found interesting by people other than the ones we have in our lives at the time. Fair enough, but the tricky part is to understand the lines that are not to be crossed.

Direspecting a partner can be a lot more than just having a physical relationship with someone else. If u encourage the other person to test ur limits and see how far u would go before u actually become physical, then it’s considered disrespect. Then it becomes “i got someone and all, but show me how bad u want me and what ur willing to do”. NOT COOL. Even if u know you have enough will power not to cheat, why put urself in that position tobe tempted?

That’s why ppl end up hurt in these types of situations. It’s like ur willing to put what we have at risk for the joillies that someone else wants to f*ck u? It’s touchy…..


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A. Jarrell

I think cheating is cheating, including techno-cheating. If there is something missing in the relationship, don’t be a coward and just tell your S.O.! I do believe cheating is an act of cowardice. I don’t cheat because I have enough self-control to curb my more physical urges (and I can hold my damn liquor), and I usually dump the chick when I realize I’m not getting, nor am I going to get, what I need and desire from the relationship. I like to nip things in the bud quickly, before they get outta hand and people’s feelings get hurt.

Now I got a question for you, NWSO; what if your S.O. has a best friend of your same genre s/he confides in more than you? I mean, your S.O. will tell that friend good or bad news b4 they tell you? When they hang out they got a bunch of inside jokes you know nothing about. They laugh, playful joke, and have light physical touch that could be considered cause for concern. Do you consider that emotional cheating? (Think of Alicia Keys’ song “Girlfriend.”)


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Dc Man with a Plan

@ Paulette…lmao…Yeah, cell phone records have been the down fall of many a man…AND, we can add text messages and e-mails to the mix, just ask the former mayor of Detroit, or the current gov of S.C…..Dan’g fellas, either don’t cheat….or don’t use technology, bcuz we tend to get lazy or tired and leave a TRAIL Stevie Wonder can follow…sheesh….on the real, though….I am not making excuses…BUT I can say from personal experience that SHYT DOEs happen sometimes bcuz we THINK a situation is innocent and mild…then we find ourselves sucked into some SHYT……and are trying to get out b4 realizing we are WAY in……things that start innocent can quickly turn into some deep ish…..therefore, the best rule is to just be true to the one your with~!!


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NWSO

@A. Jarrell

Can’t recall the A. Keys record offhand but…

As for your scenario, that would all depend on the back story. With the scene you set up, I’m sure before this woman became my S.O. we had a talk about her history with that best friend. Were they ever intimate? Are he and I cool outside of her? How in love am I with this woman? Is she the one or someone I’m growing with to an unknown destination? Every scenario is different so I’d have to know the specifics to answer it truthfully.

Base don what you laid out, though, I probably would feel some jealousy if this friend is taking priority over me in terms of getting first dibs on information. Family I can understand, but outside of that I figure the one you’re dealing with would get that call.

Overall, though, I don’t really fight for someone that doesn’t want to be kept. I think people should marry their best friend, if I’m not her best friend and it turns out this other guy is teh love of her life then so be it. Just be real about it


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Brandon St. Randy

So one of my friends who’s on a social networking site private messaged me that I could get the business. I’m pretty sure she meant in a totally theoretical way as opposed to something she intended to act upon. She’s in a deep relationship. I think it’s totally a throw away comment and am flattered. Would that be considered cheating?


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A. Jarrell

@ NWSO:

And that’s why you’re a relationship expert. Great response. Or I should say, its the response I would’ve given. I guess that makes it great, right?

I especially agree with the idea of people marrying their best friend.

Oh, the Alicia Keys song goes: “I’m think I’m jealous of your girlfriend/She holds a special part of you” in the chorus. Or something to that effect. From her first album, “Songs in A Minor”


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BLONDEBEAUTY

@NWSO
A. Keys song girlfriend
” I think I’m jealous of your girlfriend, although she is a girl that’s just your friend”

People usually cheat bcause something is lacking in thier realtionship. Whether it be sexual or emotional. So I would have to say yes it is cheating. Flirting is naturla and nothing is wrong with that, but leave that at the door. Once you have opened the door for other means of communicatiion with someone other than you S.O. you’ve crossed the line.

So fllirt on when we are at the bar or in the club but when we leave I want to be the only fantasy on his mind…


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da ThRONe

@Brandon St. Randy

Can she go back and tell her man what she told you? If not its cheating. Cheating is based on dishonesty. There nothing wrong with joking even in a sexually manner but your S.O. should know your nature. I wouldnt care if my girl was a big flirt aslong as she is the same way weither im there or not.


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paulette-BAJAN-gal

@ Elle…the other woman scenario was a part of my marriage…and it worked for some time.But my ex-husband did get emotionally involved with one of the women and we broke up.so it is a double edged sword.On one hand you get to fulfill a sexual fantasy together…on the other hand…he gets to wade in other pussy.

I wouldn’t do it again.But I’m also not sure if I can fuck the same dick for the rest of my life.Unless its some next level electronic morphing dick.I like variety.Maybe I’ll get lucky and meet a man that can be so versatile he surprises me every time.lmao

I agree though…if your spouse can’t read it…don’t type it.we all have exes that try to get some now and then but our responses is what matter.I think some might entertain the other person as a back up plan in case the current relationship doesn’t work out.lol


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da ThRONe

@Paulette

If I wasnt in a cyber-relationship already it would be me and you exchange freaky words and an couple of dirty pics here and there and some crazy webcam action! rotflmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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paulette-BAJAN-gal

You have to be faithful to a cyber relationship?…that’s a whole other blog topic. Rotflmbao

So getting married via cyberland means exchanging passwords? Rotfl


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da ThRONe

@Paulette

I guess you can get a few dirty pics? I cant believe im cyber-cheating! LOL


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anon y. mous

I’ve techno-cheated and ended up cheating physically and emotionally. So, if you have a partner out techno-cheating you shoild be very concerned. But instead of just jumping down there throat…ask them what they think is missing from the relationship to make them want to have any sort of contact with someone else


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da ThRONe

@anon y. mous

Concerned? My broad do that im gone plain and simple!


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litrisha

I think that eventually all that “sexting” will lead to physical, and that’s why I wouldn’t trust my significant other to be texting AT ALL!!! Leave all that texting to the kids and all the grown adults especially in Marriages or serious relationships should have no ties to that. It seems technology makes it so easy to cheat nowadays with the texting and online dating sites it’s not even funny…..
I have truthfully techno cheated before as I am sure that everyone has one time in there life now, I mean it’s SO EASY, not that I’m condone that behavior but hey if the tools are there people will use them…


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Netta

So long as penetration doesn’t occur, I don’t count it as cheating.

No, seriously. i wrote a whole blog about it.

http://semi-literate.blogspot.com/2009/06/extracurricular-fuckin-leads-to.html


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Jazzy

I don’t agree that emotional cheating is worse than physical. Sometimes you can’t control developing feelings for someone, but you can DEFINITELY control what you do with your body – regardless of whether feelings are involved or not.

If my man fell in love with someone else, that would be easier for me b/c the solution is cut and dry: dump him. But if he physically cheats and keeps insisting it “meant nothing”, that could be gray area (for some women). Even though the solution would still be easy for me in the latter scenario, I’d have more to think about before moving on…


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Jazzy

Techno-cheating? I would call all of the texting and emailing extracurricular flirting. I don’t have a problem with flirting, as long as it doesn’t get sexual. Since I’m able to flirt without acting on it, I trust that my partner can do the same. Otherwise, I wouldn’t be with that person.


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Dc Man with a Plan

@ Jazzy..extra-curricular flirting? lol…..so you’re saying if your man is sitting in your face, texting some other shortee, asking her what she has on..what size bra she wears…..whether or not she likes boy shorts or thongs….U cool with all of that? WHEN you flirt, says a lot about your status and your thoughts of the person your with -VS- the one you’re flirting with…. I think it is disrespectful for you to be my woman, hanging out with me, and U texting someone else or talkin on the phone for extended periods…WTF? I might as well be by myself….Also, there are varying degree’s of flirting and I do not think all of them are equal, nor do I think all of us are envisioning the same type of flrting as we comment on this topic. IF I’m not dating anyone, and you and I have been going out for a minute and are approaching the point where we bout to get it on…the type of texting WE’d likely be doing is way different from some innocent, happenstance, every day friend B/S. lol……My female friends don’t text me sayin shyt like they wanna suck my d*ck, but my shortee might…lol
I have to FINALLY give Da Throne props bcuz when he said: cheating is being dishonest with your S.O, that to me pretty much sums it all up….


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*Doon*

cheating is cheating! but Emotional is ten times worse then physical because not only do you have someone’s body but you have their heart and soul, and mind. Physical cheting is ridiculous just because you may have an attraction does not mean you should act on it! By the end of the day its not worth it because when you hurt the one you love is the same thing as hurting yourself ( duh! when you get married its two bodies in one spirit.. didn’t they teach you that!).. and if your with a girlfriend/ boyfriend would you really want to share their dick/ vagina with someone else? There will always be temptations in life but that’s why God gave us a lovely brain to think twice before acting on it!


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MZJON3S

I think this all goes with the trust issue within the relationship. i have a guy friend that i’ve known my whole life and because he didnt tell his wife about me when he got married, once she found out, she terminated our relationship. dont think that was too fair because i lost a friend that i’ve had my whole life and i hope she gained her husband that she had anyway. she said (thru his husband) there was no beef among us, she just didnt know me and didnt think we needed to be friends(even th we’ve been friends for 25 years) she dont trust him and that has nothing to do with me but i dont think its fair.cheating is cheating no matter what!!


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JAUNELLS

TEXTING CAN LEAD TO CHEATING; SEEN IT HAPPEN TOO MANY TIMES; IT STARTS OUT INNOCENT THEN LEADS TO MORE


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HeatherMae

The man that I’m engaged to sexted pictures of himself to 3 girls in the past year. He says that he won’t do it again but I don’t believe him. I f hes done it 3 times in less than a year than how many times is it going to happen after we’re married for 10 years… If we last that long. Is it cheating? Judging by how much it hurt when he told me, then yes.


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Charity

Folks can sugarcoat it any way they want to…..all types of communication, IM, texting, email, phone call, etc. IT’S WRONG!

A good way to keep yourself on the right track is to ask yourself, would I send this email if my boo, was standing right here? Would I say this comment on the phone if my boo, was standing beside me? Come on, folks know what time it is!

Those little seeds….oh, those innocent little seeds. The thought, “Man, she was looking good in those red heels…..ponder, ponder, ponder….

Next, “I’ll just email her & tell her how nice she was looking today”. Next, after she responds back, “oh, thank you, how sweet of you to say”.
Next…”I’ll just ask her does she want to have lunch, we need to discuss the upcoming office party anyway”….. Next “Well, we didn’t really get a chance to finish our conversation, she thinks. “Maybe, I’ll ask him to stop by my place tonight, have a glass of wine, and we can finish for sure, the plans regarding the office party, who’s exactly bringing what”.

You ask yourself the next day “Dang, how’d that happen”…..Go Figure! It started with that little innocent seed. Or, so you thought was innocent.

People that are single….that’s one’s prerogative
to see who they choose to see. If you date multiple people, tell someone you date, and it’s not exclusive. But, for you folks married, and in
committed relationships….time out for you wanting to have your cake & ice cream too!

Some folks can barely maintain one relationship, let alone, trying to juggle two or three. You are seriously playing with fire, someone’s gonna either get seriously hurt, or God forbid, dead….behind folks silly little games.

You can’t play with that heart, it’s too delicate.

Do until others, as you’d have others, do unto you!
PEACE!


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Not Really Insecure

I really don’t see why people write these with so much bias. Cheating is NEVER just cut and dry. Sex is not always cheating with someone else. Sometimes its just pure fun.
You’re cheating when you’re seeking to fulfill something that isn’t fully satisfied in your relationship. You’re cheating when you know that your partner wouldn’t be able to accept the situation after hearing you all the way through.
I love my boyfriend to death. I have been with him for 3.5 years and I would do ANYTHING to see him happy. But even last night, he didn’t want to go to a party that I wanted to go to. I went by myself because I’m close with all but 2 of the people there. Ended up making out with one of those two and getting breast fondled by the other guy (who then decided I had the “best pair of tits in the room”). I kissed two girls there too. Oh well. I was able to go home at 7:30 this morning and tell my boyfriend. He wasn’t happy. But I didn’t sneak around behind his back, I didn’t lie to him, I was honest and up front with him, and while he can’t fully approve, he didn’t throw a fit and break up with me like half of you have been saying you’d do.

I hate how everyone says that if you’re sexual with more than one person(at the same time) you can’t possibly love the person you’re in a relationship with.

That’s bull. Sex doesn’t equal love. You can have a fulfilling relationship without sex, just like you can have sex without falling in love with the person you’re screwing.

It’s human nature to be attracted to more than one person. If you sit there and say you don’t want to fuck (forgive the vulgarity, but its the best term for frivolous sex) someone you’re not with, then I will tell you that you are a liar.

Just because you have sex with someone or get frisky with someone doesn’t mean you don’t love the person you’re with. Nor does it mean you’re not satisfied with who you’re with.

I honestly would not care if my boyfriend kissed another girl right in front of me. Nor would I care if there was “heavy petting” involved. I honestly (have never been in the situation as no one has ever cheated on me) don’t think I would care if my boyfriend had sex with some chick. As Long As he was honest with me about it.

I’d have problems if I was married to the guy. Since that is serious commitment and I think that when you’re ready to marry, you need to be ready to settle down.

But until I get married, I want to enjoy being young. I want to enjoy being able to have fun and have lots of life experiences. I want to be a well rounded, open minded person.

I want to know that when I agree to get married, I will settle down and not have to wonder what I’m missing out on, what else is out there, and what it’d be like to have other people.

But I don’t see the need to haul off and be offended if a person is just exploring and experimenting with other people (as long as its done safely – disease is my ONLY issue with “cheating” in non-married relationships). At least then they actually know what they want when they’re ready to settle down.

I don’t know about you people, but there’s more to my relationships than sex. I value my partner. I love my partner and our hobbies. I love spending time with my partner. When people ask me about my relationship, I can tell them so much and talk for hours without sex ever coming to my mind. Sure we fight and argue, but I think we have a healthy relationship.

Is it so wrong to enjoy experimenting with other people that I don’t have that connection with? For those of you who want to answer yes, let me ask you: are you one of those idiots that say sex should only be shared with the one that you truly love? Or are you one of those people that say sex should only be for married couples. If these are you, then just keep your mouth shut because you obviously cannot comprehend that sex was never intended to be mingled with love. It is carnal animal instincts done for species survival. Humans mingle that with pleasure, but it has never been intended for love.

Things only get complicated if you mix in emotions, so leave them out and you’ll be happy. I can be happy with my partners with or without sex, just like I can be happy with sex frivolous or committed.

As far as sexting goes.. as long as it stays on the net and isn’t personal I don’t give a fuck.

My guy (even if we’re married) can go and get on a chatroom and find someone and cyber. I don’t care. It’s just pixel images (if they use cam) and words. big flipping deal. its just like porn only more interactive.

I do have an issue when someone is actually friends with the person they’re cybering or sexting with. Because it can mess up the friendship, it’s more personal, and often times the friend is a mutual friend.

But if its a complete stranger that they’re never going to meet in public and it doesn’t involve any personal information (i.e. they’re not getting to know each other on a personal basis) then who cares?? sounds innocent enough to me.

Are you going to start getting upset about people getting off on porn too because it involves other people and doesn’t have to include you’re significant other?


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Not Really Insecure

HeatherMae..

if you’re really stupid enough to marry someone you believe is going to “cheat” on you, then you deserve it.

No offense, and I don’t want to sound mean about this. But you’re only setting yourself up for hurt. Stuff can only hurt you as much as you let it.

If you REALLY don’t believe him, and it REALLY hurts you that he does this, and the thought of him doing it in the future causes you distress, and you are REALLY unsure of your relationship’s stability, and you have no confidence at all in your ability to stay together, then why the HELL are you marrying him. It doesn’t sound like you’re ready to marry him at all =/

I may only be able to speak like this because I’ve been hurt a lot. But, I’ve learned through everything that if you don’t expect too much, and you don’t let small things bother you, then you can’t get hurt, and you can’t get upset.

I don’t care anymore about stupid things like other girls. At the end of the day, my guy is in my bed. At the end of it all, I know that my guy is honest with me. He’d never go off and sleep with another girl, he’s not that type of guy – really, I had to BEG him for months before he’d have sex with me when we had been dating for 6 months, I don’t think he has the ability to have sex with someone he’d known a few hours- but he knows that until there is a ring on my finger, a joint bank account, and a marriage license, I won’t care as long as he tells me.

I know that he won’t, but I have comfort in knowing that since he knows I won’t bite his head off, he doesn’t have to sneak around. It’s a win-win. He’ll tell if he knows that I can hear him out, and listen to him all the way through.

Did you hear your guy out when you found the pics? I’m assuming you found them because it doesn’t sound like you have the relationship where he’d be able to open up and tell you. Did you listen to his full side of the story? Or did you yell at him, say a few colorful, choice words, then make him feel guilty and apologize then forgive him and tell him not to do it again?

It sounds like you have major issues not only in your relationship, but in your head as well. you need to sort out how you feel about everything, and have a long talk with this guy and possibly seek couples counseling before I’d think you were ready to get married… then again, I’m only about to be 21. What do I know about “adult matters”


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Nate

This is a big can of worms. Same could be said about (non sexuial) spooning on the couch watching a movie, is it really cheating? Most think so, but some do not.

Sexting or flirtatious IMs, emails, etc with a friend might be OK so long as nothing physical ever happens, or it could be considered emotional infidelity.

Whatever the case, you need to have an open and frank discusssion about it. If your partner is really adamant that you stop it, then you need to stop it, or let him/her know you are not going to stop so they can make a decision on what to do about it. Stay or leave.


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da ThRONe

@Nate

Two people should already know and agree whats acceptable in a relationship and whats not before they enter said relationship. Thats kinda the point of relationships finding somebody with the same philosophy on the key things.


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Nate

@daThRONe

You can’t possibly know, much less agree on everything before you get into a relationship. Relationships are fluid and change over time.

Maybe agreeing on sexting and flirting was acceptable in the early stages of a relationship, but is now unacceptable for one partner.


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da ThRONe

@Nate

You dont need to know everything but there are some key things that need to be discussed before entering a relationship. Which should be the norm and one of those things is what your expectations are.

You mentioned spooning with a mutual friend (personally spooning is a form of intimacy so its a no no). Or even laying on a mutual friend. You should understand your S.O. well enough to know weither or not if he/she was to see or hear about it would they have a problem with it.

If you dont know your mate well enough to determine what may or may not set them off maybe you should not be in an exclusive relationship with them. I personally will never get exclusive with a female I barely know anymore. If its right it can wait.


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Elle

Preach ThRONe!

People should know as much as possible before they get themselves into anything in life. We read the fine print on contracts, we research on the internet before we buy a cell phone, we compare all kinds of deals when deciding on a new car but when making emotionally important decisions that can easily change your life (marriage) people want to “go with the flow” and deal with issues when they come up. WTH?

I want to know who I am dealing with and leave as little grey area as possible.


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Nate

Like I said before. Relationships are fluid and change over time. You want to know your future partner well enough and do the best you can.

However, that is not a guarantee they (or you) won’t change.

Research and learn all you can, but a relationship is not a material item nor a contract. Looking at it as such will doom it to failure.

Besides, Elle and daThRONe, how can you both be so certain you yourselves will not change?


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da ThRONe

@Nate

I dont think Elle was comparing intangible relationships with tangible material items ,but rather the effort thats put into one but not the other. And I whole-heartedly agree.

Ofcourse people change but likewise I shouldnt go into a relationship with a chick that doesnt like her man to have a friendship with other females if my bestfriend is a girl. Change is inevitable if you are doing all the same things at 50 that you did at 25 you have issues ,but if you are communicating properly from the beginning on most if not all misunderstanding can be avoided.

I have been with a female who I could tell anything to and it was funny and we would laugh it off. There was a point when see use to point girls out to me to see if I found them attractive. But that point came to and end and the very same comments that made her laugh later pissed her off. Those same comment about other females pissed her off. So I understand the overnight switch.

I have said this before people arent mind readers. You have to be open and consistent with your S.O. and stop “just getting along” because they get attached to the person you present to them. If that person isnt you then your S.O. isnt really attached to you. And thats the point too often people do whatever and say whatever because they wanna be with another person but never stop to think should they. And that includes asking the right question to determine how compatible two people are.


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Elle

Thank you ThRONe for explaining how I meant my examples.

Nate, you are right. People do change. And that is ok if it is being communicated and dealt with accordingly. We all change over time because of life’s experiences.

However, what some people consider a “change” really isn’t. They simply didn’t get to know a person well enough before jumping head first into a relationship or marriage.
People are afraid to ask personal or bold questions during the beginning stages of a relationship and hope to not only find out later on but also they assume they will actually LIKE what they will find out later. And that approach is faulted if you ask me. I want to know if your money managing practice matches mines, how you feel about working/stay-at-home moms, if you rather see the world or go to the same vacation spot every year, how or why did your past relationships end…yadda yadda.

So if I find out that you’re not really into going to the movies, chances are you only went because I wanted to. That’s not a change. That’s sending a representative and could have been avoided if our communication had been on point.
However, if I go from Atheist to Born-Again in the matter of months/years, that is a change nobody could foresee at the beginning of the relationship and therefore something that needs to be dealt with when it occurs.






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