Dating Tips for the Recession

April 20th 2009 in Advice/Dear NWSO, News/Current Events, Relationships/Love

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When I posted a few of my friends’ dating deal breakers a week and a half ago, a common issue was women who don’t at least offer to leave the tip. While many female readers focused on the money, the guys’ focus was more about the idea of unselfishness. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, ladies, men like a woman that exhibits this often overlooked quality. Still, an anonymous commenter wrote, “Men let’s get it together! It’s a man’s job to pay period.”

For every person that agrees with that statement, there’s a million more that feel the complete opposite. Men and women will probably continue to argue about this until they’re blue in the face. Being that we are in a recession and I know that dating is tough on the all the single fellas (throw ya hands up), I came up with a few more tips for financially-sound courtship during these tough times. Like to hear ’em? Well, here they go…

 

LEARN DUTCH

Sorry, ladies, but some of y’all need to get off your high horses on this one. I’m not saying to lower your standards and talk to a bum ass dude, but why should you automatically get a free meal, movie and drunk just because you’re a female (it’s a recession), while the guy gets stuck holding the bill and his dick? If the point of going out is getting to know someone, then whether or not he pays shouldn’t effect his great conversation, sense of humor and being a gentleman. Of course I don’t expect women to go Dutch every single time, but a man shouldn’t be written off (within reason) simply because he speaks Dutch.

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EAT THAI FOOD (or other Asian cuisine)
I don’t know why but Asian food is pretty inexpensive. I can hear the ladies already, “I am not eating no damn Chinese food.” Well, I’m not talking about around the way. Thai food is a few notches up from that and reasonably priced. To top it off, there are a lot of Thai restaurants that have good ambiance to compliment the good food—it is an acquired taste, though. Plus, taking a date to an untraditional eatery (i.e. Korean BBQ) shows you’re a little worldlier than the next guy. I know Thai ain’t a French bistro, ladies, but it’s a start, so give a brother some slack. Now if the chick is allergic to peanuts (which is the core of most Thai cooking) then you’re shit out of luck. Try a equally affordable brand of cooking, like Mediterranean or you could always try…

HOME COOKING

But only if you can actually cook. Don’t boil Ramen Noodles and soak them in pasta sauce and call yourself Chef Homeboy R Gee. Learn a few recipes from mama or one of your homegirls that can throw down in the kitchen so you can properly feed and impress a woman. Turning on your stove more often helps your pockets a great deal. Once you start grocery shopping on the regular, you see how inexpensive certain things are, that $16 for a plate of glazed chicken at Chez Whitey will look hella overpriced. Seriously, you can score a pack of drumsticks at the supermarket for three bucks, dude. The only thing is you can’t pull out the home cooked meal card too early because if shorty don’t know you like that she’s gonna assume you’re just trying to get some. Wait until y’all have at least been out a few times before offering to cook or ordering in on a Blockbuster Netflix night.

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NO ALCOHOL

Have you ever noticed how expensive liquor is? Trust me, try going out to dinner and just have water, juice or soda and you’ll see how much cheaper your bill is. I grabbed dinner at a Thai spot with my homegirl a few weeks ago and the tab for both of us was $20 with tip. That’s virtually unheard of in New York City unless you’re at a fast food restaurant and you’ll very seldom catch me in one of those grease pits. Cutting out liquor not only saves money, but also it allows you to be you and not some slick-mouthed drunk like my alter ego Taco Meat. Your date will probably think you’re “interesting” for not drinking and chances are she won’t drink either because no one likes looking like a lush. Sure, you can grab a glass of wine every now and again to kill your nerves but moderation will do you and your pockets well.

MUSEUMS/AQUARIUM

Think outside of the box, not all dates have to happen at night or over dinner. Unless you live in a one-horse town (no offense to the Amish), there’s bound to be a museum or aquarium with interesting exhibits and animals to check out. There might be a small suggested donation at certain museums, but they’re usually free admission. Non-typical locales like museums, aquariums or even the zoo, are great for showing your creativity and intellectual side. If you haven’t mastered the art of small talk, at least you’re surrounded by a host of conversation starters. Who knows, you could even learn a thing or two along the way. Actually one of my most memorable dates was with a female who taught me how to play chess. That was some major G on her part, because you never forget someone that teaches you something.

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THE PARK (summer only)

Okay, as cliché as it may sound, public parks in the summer are great for romantic strolls, picnics on the grass and conversation—all of which are free 99. You can even flip the script and pack a chessboard, Connect 4, checkers or even a deck of cards to play on a blanket. Again, the goal of a date is good conversation while having a good time. You’d be surprised how relaxing just sitting back and taking in nature and people watching can be. Well, depending on your date because not every chick can appreciate all the birds and squirrels. If you’re ever looking for a free spot to chill after brunch or a matinee, a sunset stroll through the park could be the perfect cap off or beginning of a nightcap.

POOL/BOWLING/ICE SKATING

These are classic dating activities that often go overlooked and you don’t even have to be an expert to have fun. Most times when I go to play pool or bowling on a date, we wind up doing more talking than playing. At the end of the day, that’s all dating is: finding a place or activity so you can converse and get to know each other better. The only downside is some guys are a bit too competitive and could gloat when they’re winning or sulk if they’re losing. Trust me, fellas, if you do either your date isn’t going to have a good time win, lose or draw. The other possible drawback to any of these activities is a prissy chick that’s worried about breaking her nails or getting chalk on her hands. So if you find a girl that’s willing to roll up her sleeves and get dirty you might have yourself a keeper. Just don’t try that bend over and I’ll show you how to use the pool stick move (save that for the second date).

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**Industry Folk Only**
MOVIE SCREENINGS/OPEN BAR EVENTS

Being in the entertainment industry, one of the many perks of the job is free movie passes and invites to open bar events. You’re always given a plus one, so why not make it a special one. Personally, I’d rather turn a screening into a date before a party. Taking a chick to see a high profile flick a full month before it hits theatres can earn you some serious brownie points, plus you’re still one-on-one. Parties on the other hand are a mixed bag. Although the liquor is generally free for at least an hour and if you’re lucky you might snag a free buffet, be selective about whom you bring. If your date’s more concerned with the stars in the room than you she’s probably not a keeper. Also, you gotta keep in mind that industry parties are still work so you’re constant networking may make your date jealous or feel neglected. That’s why it’s essential that you take a secure woman to any industry-related event. The last thing you need is someone that’s going to embarrass you in front of your colleagues and contacts. Lastly, if you happen to have any exes in the industry it might be a little awkward seeing her or her spies friends with some random chick on your arm. Save the industry events for wifeys only.

Okay, that’s all the recession dating tips I’ve got for now. Hopefully, that’s enough to get you guys started. Feel free to add any other cost-effective dating tips or critique of my suggestions you might have. So what do you think: thumbs up or thumbs down?

Speak your piece…

 

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63 comments to...
“Dating Tips for the Recession”
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EmotionalFunk

You get a thumbs up. I’ve suggested and done the museum, open bar, parks, bowling and all for a budget concious date. I have way more fun with guys who are down to earth and into doing stuff a little less popular. Oh and try openbar.com for some inexpensive places to have drinks I love that site. community theater is inexpensive too to do.


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mine jaz

im super competitive which is why i stay away from competitive dates cuz i talk shit too.. but other wise great ideas!


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July

Great ideas, they are pretty creative and a nice change from the regular fancy dinner and a movie thing. However I just can’t fully agree with a man speaking Dutch on the first date, I know I am going to catch some heat for this but nope sorry can’t do it, if you can’t pay for the full bill on the first date don’t ask me out. I speak Dutch after a successful first date not during.

Comedy clubs are pretty inexpensive here so I would suggest that for a date plus you get to see whether a person has a good sense of humour. Also the main liquor brewery/distributor here offers a tour where you get to see how all the alcohol is made and taste it all for a really low fee. But it could backfire on you if you get too excited and drink too much.


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NWSO

@July

I just think that “rule” is so one-sided and unfair. How is a guy supposed to know that the M.O. of every female he goes out with only does one dates and never does seconds? if that’s the case, he comes out of pocket every single time while you/she scores on a free meal etc every time.

I can’t speak for everyone man etc, but since I been laid off I HAVE to speak Dutch at least bilingually and within reason. For me to try and play myself and sacrifice my mortgages (yes, two) because a date wants an extra round of Merlot with the waning promise of her catching the second wouldn’t be wise on my part.

That’s an exaggerated scenario and I generally fall in line with the man-pays mentality, but don’t really see what validity the first date rule holds. What changes in the few days between a first and second date that makes purses more inclined to be opened?

To each his/her own, but I’m just saying. What’s the reason ladies like to hold on to the first date man pays rule? Tradition? Mama said so? Sex & the City? Reverse sexism?

Just paying devil’s advocate


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Elle

Good dating ideas! Most of them I/ we practice already.

Some other things to consider:
Open air movies are usually free … at least out here.

Or what about meeting on a Saturday/Sunday morning to take a stroll over a food market where you can sample food all over the place from all over the world? Cheaper than actually going out for breakfast/brunch. We used to do that in London a lot.

Something I personally love to do is going sightseeing in my own city. Totally free and in most cities life is so fast that I’m sure you’ll learn new things each and everytime.

How about a bike tour? Rental bikes usually do not cost that much for a handful of hours if you do not have your own.

Do good and take a dog from the local shelter for a walk.

Depending on the woman in question you could work out together, shoot some hoops etc. Share whatever you like doing in your freetime with the prospect so she gets to see the real you from day one.

There are tons of things out there people can do instead of dinner and a movie.

As much as I enjoy bowling or playing pool, it is indeed annoying when the man in question is too competitive. This trait takes the fun out of it. Especially, when I get lucky and beat his ass at any given sport. So guys, swallow your pride and goof around instead of trying to win.

I am with July as far as first date dinners go. If you ask me out on a costly first date, it isn’t my fault. For all I care we can go to a park and have a chat. No cost involved at all. Well, on a hot day an ice cream cone might be nice or a soda. But that’s totally optional.
However, in my version of the universe, men are still gentlemen who court women.
Going dutch or even footing the complete bill every so often when I’m in a relationship comes natural to me. I enjoy taking my fiancé out to dinner, the movies, bowling, a game or whatever he chooses on “his day”.
But a random stranger whose intentions I am not sure of – and let’s face it: probably more men than women wanna just hit and run – isn’t going to get money out of me. Like you guys, we have to work hard for our money as well. And unfortunately, in the year 2009 women where I live still make about 25% less money than men with the same occupation.
So my advice, if you can’t or don’t want to come out of pocket, then don’t. Try one of the free/inexpensive ideas mentioned above. Personally, I will not think less of a man who decides to take me on a free date. Au contraire. He’d probably fall into the creative and reasonable category. I do not expect dinner and a movie. But if you decide to go that route for lack of your own creativity, then be prepared to pay for it.


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Simoneis2good4u

Great Advice!


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da ThRONe

@NWSO

Yet another east coast bias blog! *SMH* LOL

1st I dont care if its a recession or not. Im not using the economy as in excuse to put some of this females in there place. These are my normal dating habits anyways. Im not saying Im cheap and I dont have my days where I go all out ,but I think the fancy places should be rare and random as not to get spoiled.

If I really like a female I’ll will enjoy her company waiting at the DMV or anywhere. I feel that if she’s can potentially be the one she has to have the same mind frame or she’s isnt “that girl”.

I think as long as males allow females to be selfish with there dating habits why would they stop?

There has been times where I have spoiled girls out the gate because I knew it was my best chance to get to know them and my rule that states “If I want your company then I’ll come out the pocket for it”. But when it all came down those few chicks was only interested and the help ,free meals ,and/or gifts that came along with being my friend not the friendship so I have learned my lesson. If your not really interested in me then you get nothing!


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Miss Cocoa Luv

I read this last night but had a thought about it this morning. Something recession friendly is volunteering together. I find that you get to really see a person’s that way.


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YoungJay

If you live in NY, the South Street Seaport has got to be one of the cheapest places to take a date…There are always magicians, singers, dance crews, etc. down there performing, inexpensive food choices, and they have outdoor seating with a nice view of the water.


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D

Thumbs up! I love/have done some of these date ideas. The best date I had was going out to play pool, both the guy and I were a little competitive but we also kinda sucked lol so regardless who won we had fun clowning each other after every shot. I’m not a huge dinner and movie date fan, I prefer dates where we can both let down our gaurds and have fun instead of sitting in a stuffy restaurant or through a crappy movie.

However, I agree with Elle, if the guy asks me out on a first date and decides to take me to an upscale restaurant then he should pay the full bill, tip included. Not that I won’t offer to help, but I lost my job as well and am trying to balance my life with unemployment and its not my fault you wanted to go somewhere you couldn’t afford or don’t want to pay for. I’m not doing any fast food places, but I’m content with the Applebees 2 for $20 lol b/c its not about the place its about the company I’m with and getting to know that person.


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The Blog Chic

Great list!
I personally don’t see anything wrong with going dutch…as long as it’s within my budget…like you said, it’s a recession!…lol


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da ThRONe

@All Ladies

My question is how is the guy a dead beat if he dont pay your way on the 1st date ,but it’s completely ok for you to not come out of your pocket? You should be as interested in finding somebody as he is. I would never ask a female out I didnt know already(except for blind dates).

Thats just as bad as a dude expecting you to give up the ass if he pays. It seriously bother me that people go into a date with expectation. The only thing I want is good company on date 1. Anything more than that is extra.


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Dominque

I say, move to another country… with all the money that you have and use your english skills as an advantage. :-)


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@da throne

I wouldn’t say the guy is a dead beat. I’m with you I’m
more about the company. My thing is if a guy approaches you and wants to get to know you and offers to take you out he can pay the bill. I don’t see the whole issue why people don’t want to pay. If i, in turn, offer to take a gentlemen out i will gladly pick up the check in full. I’m not going to ask you out and expect you to come out your pocket and I don’t believe a guy should either. If we’re in a relatonship then these issues should already be resolved but when you’re courting someone if you don’t want to pay for something, don’t ask if its that big of a deal.


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Marcrooseler

Forget recession, if she doesn’t even offer for tip or just offer (and not asking “if you need help with that”) she gets no more love, even if it was a great date. I always expect to pay but I think the way of the Dutch should be enforced as first date protocol. Why? Not because I’m a cheap ass, but because I I don’t feel like wasting my money and time anymore.

Da Throne put it best: Go in with liimited expectations with the exception of wanting to have a good time and possibly make a friend. Pay your way and he pays his and if all goes well, he’ll pay for the next one and you’ll take turns. Recession or not.

On the other side of things what happens after the recession? Are we then re-obligated to paying? Hit or miss again with the free meals? Check yo’ girls.


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July

@ Elle
Love your list, its really creative and different and if a man took me on one of those outings he would earn a spot in my dating hall of fame for his creativity and for just being a breath of fresh air. The best date I have ever been on involved junk food, cheap wine and parking at a spot that had the best view of the city just talking shit.

@NWSO
I can’t speak for all ladies I can only speak for myself and the reason I hold a man to that first- date-pay rule is because I believe it has something to do with chivalry. A man is courting me, in doing so if he expects me to pay in our first encounter I just believe its just an early sign of worse things to come and I better heed the warning.

This belief I have comes from Mama telling me so and I reckon shes got a few years on me she must know what shes talking about lol. I guess it also comes from tradition and the way I view male/female dynamics and also experiance in dating (some guys are just so rude).

I also wanna add that I don’t just go on dates to get a free meal (I’m a pretty good cook and enjoy my own food lol), by the time someone gets me on a date I am way past the “free meal stage”, I actually want to get to know them and lets face it a date in a mini interview.

It may seem unfair to you but it seems reasonable to me. If a man asks me for my time and takes me somewhere especially somewhere fancy and then turns around and asks me to pay that is just an automatic fail in my world. I’ve never invited a gentleman out and then folded my arms looking at the bill then looking at him to pay or pay for what he had coz I have better manners than that and I expect the man I am going to be with to have the same manners.


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da ThRONe

@July

You said the one thing that will always drive a wedge between me and any chick. “I can’t speak for all ladies I can only speak for myself and the reason I hold a man to that first- date-pay rule is because I believe it has something to do with chivalry. A man is courting me, in doing so if he expects me to pay in our first encounter I just believe its just an early sign of worse things to come and I better heed the warning.” We are courting each other nobody should have an advantage in dating.

Chivarlry is from a time when females where 2nd rate citizens! You cant have equality and an the hand up in dating its one or the other.

You not paying are aleast offering sends those same warnings to any real man.


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VirgoVida

I think this all comes down to male and female roles again. I’m completely confused. You got one side saying, men wanted to be treated like men, and that women don’t know how to just let go and let a man do for them. But then on the other hand, when we’re trying to play the background and let you do the “man” thing, you want us to step up and contribute. I think there’s a fine line between this thing. Are we being too independent and acting like we don’t need yall? Or are we being too DIVA to come down off our thrones and put into the pot?
Make up your minds! lmao.


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July

@ Da Throne

Maybe my understanding of chivalry is wrong, whilst I agree that chivalry came about in a time when women were seen as the weaker beings there is a difference (at least in my mind) between chivalry which has everything to do with respect and appreciation for women and that of chauvinism which sees women as second rate citizens. I don’t know that much about the feminist movement but I reckon it was about removing the bad and not the good from society and they way women were and still are treated.

As far as courting each other yes you are right there but ever thought that by virtue of us being different (male/female) and the different roles we play that we do so in different ways and at different stages in the courtship/relationship.


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da ThRONe

@VirgoVida

Hey whats up?

To answer your question I think dudes that say “Let me be a man” has control issues. How does a female picking up a check make you any less of a man? Thank you it dont some dude want to feel like they own there S.O. if any dude is threatend by your indenpence you might wanna keep in eye on him. Dont get it twisted there is nothing better IMO than spoiling the person your feeling ,but it should go both ways.


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NWSO

@ Da Throne

Regarding your first comment: How is this another East Coast bias? They don’t speak Dutch, have parks/museums/aquariums/, home stoves and grocery stores, non-alcoholic drinks and pool halls and bowling alleys in N.O.??? Damn, if not, you need to move homie.. lol

as for your latter comments I agree.. for once. lol


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da ThRONe

@July

If some dude hunts you down and offers there nothing wrong with expecting his ass to pay. Im saying if the attraction and the idea to go on a date is mutual then going dutch or even the female paying for the 1st date shouldnt be taboo. Maybe dude dont get paid til the next week and your busy that week and you guys really wanna meet.

Money should have little to do with a relationship at any stage. Im sure if you wanted to kick it with one of your female friends and she didnt have the funds at the time you would pay so whats the difference gender? Because thats sexist.


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NWSO

@ July

How I view/define chivalry has nothing to do with paying. I thought/think chivalry is opening a door for a woman, standing on the outside of the curb when walking with her, pulling out her chair, making sure she gets home safe after your date, abstains from foul language, etc. etc. I never saw paying for dinner fitting into any of that. yeah, it’s nice but didn’t see it as chivalry. So if a man did all of the above on a first date you wouldn’t consider him being chivalrous because he said, “Hey, I lost my job and money is tight would you mind going half, or covering this part of date?” SMH

Again, I was raised in the whole men pay mentality too, but the realities of today’s economy have to be taken into consideration more. The whole you asked me and your paying for my time stuff is an extreme IMO.

And I hear y’all on if you can’t afford it why go somewhere pricey, that’s the whole reason for this list of tips. To do that would just be idiotic on a man’s part.


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da ThRONe

@NWSO

It about time you come aboard the da ThRONe way of thinking! LMAO

Na we dont have Thai food or do Mediterranean here! And down here chinesse food aint cheap accept the buffets. I will point out the bias no matter how big or small sir!


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Mimi in the OC

I have to agree with Elle and July, if you invite me out, I will expect you to pay. It’s not about getting free dinner because most likely I can afford it anyway, it’s about chivalry and a guy courting me.
I wouldn’t mind picking up the check on a second date though and also, we don’t have to go to a restaurant (that is expensive). Choose more wisely if it’s such a big deal. Don’t put the blame on me.


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da ThRONe

Damn Im making more comments here then usual. LOL

@Mimi & July

Would you guys ever ask a guy on a 1st date. If not why not? Once again courting is a two way street. I think a lot of females miss out on good dudes staying on the “Im the female you do all the work” horse. I understand cause I dont approach females ,but then I havent had a S.O. in over 5years so maybe I shouldnt talk ha? Anyways my shitty love life aside dont be afaird to take charge I mean do you only want to date the guys who ask every girl they see out or the dude who is more shy and isnt out there like some dudes?


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Shay

Recession or not, I think a woman should always be mindful of a person’s financial situation.


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July

@ Da Throne
If I have a female friend who wants to go out and she doesn’t have the money I will gladly pay just as I would if it was a male friend but my paying is based on the friendshp that we have and not some sexist consipracy.

As for money never being an issue in a relationship thats a whole other can of worms but I will say that statment is just a lie. Money is one of the biggest contributors to relationships failing and thats not coz all people are shallow but coz that is the reality of the world we live in IMHO.

@NWSO
Are you sure about the definition of chivalry, I was sure under the Oxford dictionary it said “paying for the first date” :-)

But if a man opened doors and did all that other good stuff and explained to me that he couldn’t pay thats totally different. I am not heartless I’d get that the guy just couldn’t and give him a break but then again it mustn’t be after he took me to a fancy restaurant that would just piss me off regardless of his situation, he should know better.

But like I said before on some other post, where I am things are nowhere near as tough as I assume they are in the US so if somebody said that to me I would just think they are lying to me. That excuse doesn’t fly around these parts.


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Khalid Salaam

The funny thing is, lots of women are afraid to ask men out. But the ones that do still expect the man to pay. Or sometimes a guy will buy a woman a drink at a bar/restaurant and then the woman will hint about you buying one for her homegirl. If you don’t somehow you aren’t stepping up as a man.

Its craziness, especially in these times. Stuff like that just makes women come off as being selfish and anti-intellectual. Seriously.


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July

@Da Throne

I have only ever asked one guy out on a date and he turned me down :-( after that I have never tried but then again there was never really anybody I wanted to go out with but anyway my fragile little ego took too much of a beating to ever try that again lol. I really don’t know how you men do it.

But other than that I don’t ask guys out not cause I expect a man to do all the work but more based on the theory that men like the hunt and if you ask him out the thrill of the chase isn’t even there so once he gets what he thinks he can benefit from it (i.e easy sex) then he will go and leave you looking like a fool. Ok I am paranoid, I will admit that…

Am I totally off target with my thinking or close?


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NWSO

@ July

Okay, at least you’re showing some flexibility because previously it sounded like man that asks pays for first date no mater what. No ifs, ands and definitely no butt. lol

But you make me think of another thing: There are women that want to go or accept a man’s invite and then they “suggest” a fancy ass spot. There was this chick I met through a friend one time, we exchanged info and were supposed to go out, she said, Oh, I want to try this restaurant blah blah blah. I checked the menu out online and it was like $20-something a plate. I know for some that’s whatever, but 1) I was trying to save at the time 2) I ain’t know her like that to be dropping bread like that (because I was expecting to pay). So I politely said it was a bit more than what I was expecting to pay.

Needless to say, for different reasons we never went out…


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da ThRONe

@July

Money is only an issue if you make it one. Unfortunately we are trained to make money a huge deal or this wouldnt even be a topic.

Why cant you pay on a 1st date but you can for male friends whats the difference?

I feel you on getting your ego crushed, A girl said no in pre-school and i still havent let that shit go!


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mine jaz

oh yea use coupons! dnt be ashamed.. thats wat they are there for… i dnt kno about the east coast but on the west they have these things called entertainment books FULL of coupons for EVERYTHING[kat williams] ..its like 15 bucks with free shipping and last since its late in the year till september or november but its still worth it.. its a recession!


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VirgoVida

@ Da Throne

What’s good baby? I tried to say that in my best N.O. drawl :)

But to piggyback on what you said about feeling a dude, I’m probably not really feeling a dude on the first date. I agree with someone else’s comment though, I’ll pay for my male friends all day! Cause they’re my friends, strictly that. No nookie involved.

And on asking a guy out, I’ve grown a little more and figured time’s a wastin. All he can say is no, so why not give it a shot! I actually just took the first step and asked a guy out about a week ago. He said Yes, but I feel weird. Like, I feel like I come across desperate by asking him out. I think it’s like, if a guy asks you out, then he must be feeling you. But when it’s the other way around, you don’t know whether he’s feeling you or not. And, I broke NWSO’s rule, he’s supposed to come over and watch a movie with me (his suggestion, I wanted to go bowling).
But do I buy a pizza? Cook him dinner? Or Pop some popcorn? We Virgos over-analyze everything! lol


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Elle

See this is one of the discussions that drive me nuts. One day, men complain about women being too independent and acting like we don’t need anyone. Then they turn around and play the “emancipation card” as soon as money comes into the picture.

I give a lot of credit to the women’s movement but it has had some very confusing and almost negative effects on the way men and women interact with each other.

Men push women out of the way to be the first in line, they will let doors bang shut in front of our faces, they sit on their butts on busses or trains while pregnant or old women have to stand and juggle bags full of groceries. True story.
All of it happening in the name of emancipation. Great! I didn’t burn my bra back in the seventies and now I have to suffer the consequences from what my mom and her generation of women faught for.

Till this day, women still have to carry a bigger load than the average man when raising children and taking care of household chores are concerned. We have fulltime jobs, are chefs and nannies all wrapped into one. We are oh so independent and emancipated. Interestingly enough when it counts, we are not: we do not get the same pay, we do not run nations, we are not the heads of world banks, we are not members of the board of directors in most cases and so on.

Emancipation my ass! Unless women are truly being treated equally in ALL areas of life, the men in my world have one of two choices:
1. Be creative so they won’t have to come out of pocket.
2. Pay for the date if they choose to go the monetary route. It’s not like I force anybody to take me to dinner, at an expensive spot at that.


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NWSO

@Virgo

nah, don’t cook on first date, he’ll never leave. lol

keep it simple.. the pizza is fine if that’s what y’all wanna eat. he might even chip in for some wings.

lol


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da ThRONe

@VirgoVida

I can only speak for myself ,but I feel like females should be all over me. LOL If you ask a dude out and he forms in his mind that somehow your desperate then you dont want him anyways.

Im telling you ladies the whole point of dating is to look for red flags. If a guy cant handle you taking charge then thats a red flag. If it takes paying for one meal to get that info I think its worth it.

Oh and just do whatever on the date it is so less about what you do and who you are that should matter I do think us virgo’s think to damn much!


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VirgoVida

@ NWSO
Gotcha! What’s up with the Essence joint? Anymore contributions?

@ Da Throne
Ladies are probably all over you, but you’re always too busy holding up the crown. Take a day off and have fun with the peasants! LLS


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NWSO

@ Virgo

oddly enough, there should be one this week :)


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LadyPac

@ Elle

Before men pull out the “what, I’m not courting you, we’re courting each other” and “we’re equal, so if you wanna get to know me, spend some cash” cards, they should really HEAR what you said in your comment.
Women and men are NOT equal, among other things, because of the facts you mentioned: we have to take on more responsibility outside of the office (typically, women take care of the house and however equal a man feels, he’ll not be able to breast feed a baby, sorry,) and we’re generally paid less for the same work than men.
If a man is short on cash, there are all these ideas for less expensive dates; judging by the ladies’ posts on here – which echo my own thoughts, – each of us has been on enough first dates at a restaurant, and something new and exciting is like a breath of fresh air.

I actually like to go on a first date at a cafe; if it’s nice outside, that makes it that much better, and the bill won’t be more than $20 in the end, even if we sit there for three hours. If the date sucks, you can quit after the first cup of coffee/tea/hot chocolate. :)

The alcohol-related advice is great, for several reasons. Now, I never drink, and even if I go out with my friends, I usually spend less all night than they do on a couple drinks.

I don’t know how often the gentlemen here have asked out ladies who they didn’t find physically attractive at all. I don’t think it’s very typical, and that’s just fine. Does that make anyone “superficial?” I don’t think so.
Gentlemen, just understand that, to a lot of us, picking up the tab is a sign of chivalry/appreciation/respect. Don’t necessarily look at it as a sign of being “superficial” and a spoiled brat. We’re not asking you to show us your paychecks. It’s just one of those old school ways of showing appreciation to your new lady friend. And a lot of us in our 30s are old school and it’s hard to change that.

(I always grab my wallet at the end of a first date, whether it sucked or I had an awesome time. And, luckily, I can’t recall a time when a guy actually took me up on my offer.)


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Ameretta

Great Ideas!!!

Me personally if I go on a first date I always carry enough cash on me to cover my end of the bill, if he offers to pay than I would at least offer tip or a drink!!

I dated a promoter for a brief time (bad choice!)He invited me to all these different lounges, restaurant openings, etc………..the concept was awesome, he was alllowing me to see what he does on an everyday basis, which was cool. But I hardly spoke to the brother during the whole night!! He was constantly on the move! Networking, rubbing elbows, shooting ideas to various people…………plus I couldn’t date him on Thursdays, Fridays, or Saturdays…Just didn’t work out….It was a cool run though!


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da ThRONe

@LadyPac & Elle(hey baby)

I think thats whats so beautiful about relationships no matter how the rest of the world sees you they’re is somebody who will love you no matter what and you will always be they’re equal! And that equality should start from day 1. You cant control the rest of the world but you can control who your S.O. is! I think we forget thats the point in having a S.O. in the first place.


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Ameretta

@ Da Throne

This is so far left!

But where are you located???


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LadyPac

@ da ThRONe

I’ve been reading this blog long enough to know that I won’t be able to convince you. ;)

“Equality” is an overused and abused word, and it means different things to different people.
Let me just put it this way (and make it sound like a complete cliche) : women and men are different, period.
The thing I enjoy most about reading this blog is the chance to find out even more about some of those differences; obviously, there ARE some which seem to apply to a great many of men/women.

It has been mentioned before that grabbing our wallets makes men believe we’re not selfish. But still, most said that they would pick up the tab anyway, they just wanted us to “offer.”
So, what ARE we talking about, exactly? :)


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da ThRONe

@Ameretta

New Orleans why did I do something wrong? LOL


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Ms P

WOW, my momma always said you should learn something new every day! And this blog has offered me a view I never thought of. I never considered offering to pay for the tip. It just never occurred to me. Sorry to SOME of the brothas I have gone out with. LOL. I was always raised on the premise that the man pays. However, I might just offer to leave a tip on my next “first” date IF I like him. I am an excellent cook so if I like a man AFTER we have gone out on a date then I will cook his favorite meal. Whenever I do that I always get surprised men who say it has been a long time since a sista cooked for them. I would like to say this..I am a single parent so there are times that I have had to pay for a baby sitter. If I have to pay for a babysitter then sorry I am definitely not offering a tip, or anything else. Having my own personal recession!! :)


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Marley

@NWSO I can appreciate a creative man and as far the “dutch” thing I have no problem going half or paying the tip it shows some type of compromise I can’t tell you how many men I’ve surpirsed by pulling out my credit card…lol…although I never had to pay they all appreciated my independence being a simple woman I’d rather go to the park or go to a museum rather than go to dinner and movie like you said all dates don’t have to be done at night being single is already hard as it and dating is even harder these days…the recession is killine me! But I appreciate the ideas…keep em’ coming…

*peace and love*

Marley


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bumblebee88

I too think that a male paying on the first date is a chivalrous thing to do. Trust me any lady will be irked if one doesn’t. it is also showing a woman that you feel she is of some value. Luckily this becomes less expensive as a relationship progresses.

I have always ended up going halves with money in relationships it just puts my mind at
ease (which i think most women should do). That way I don’t feel like I owe anyone
anything.

Dating tips:
Take the subway or a coach to somewhere in your city that you haven’t been before. Engross yourself in a different culture for a day. Discovering places together can make for wonderful dates/memories and is inexpensive.

Where are all the men that enjoy going to museums, galleries, parks etc? I don’t seem to meet them. An imagination is a must in this recession. Got to get creative, for the sake of your pocket and your sanity.


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da ThRONe

@LadyPac

Are you calling me stubborn? LOL

Na I understand what you mean about Men and Women being different if there werent we all might as well be gay! Equal doesnt mean the same it means 50-50 if my 50 is paying the bills cool. Once again I dont have a problem with paying if I have it but if I dont it shouldnt be a “deal breaker” for me to ask or even expect you to pay. Or if I suggest something free dont look at me like im crazy.

I keep hearing females say you make a men pay because your worth it. Last time I check Im worth a free meal too! And Im sure enough men has come into contact with enough shallow women that only wanted the free meal and/or anything else that comes with the date that we wanna protect ourselves. The point im making is courting is a two way street.

Its like black people always complaining about racism but have the nerve to make the most racist comments I ever hear. You cant cry about the injustice then turn around and hold people to those same injustices.


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Litabia

Thumbs up…for the most part those are my normal practices for dates and I will call myself cheap.


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LadyPac

@ da ThRONe

You? Stubborn? Who am I to judge? ;)

I think that, in the end, we might actually find some common ground here.
Something I meant to add earlier, but got carried away, was that those lil girls only in it for free meals (which might as well be translated into “money only”) are, IMO, actually the ones who don’t even deserve half a meal. (Unless there’s some financial agreement. :P )
I do agree that when two people vibe and each has “good intentions” (meaning neither of them is out to take advantage of the other one, financially or otherwise,) both of them deserve to be pampered. How each one is able/willing to do that, is another question. I guess it’s just that, historically, men sometimes find it easier to show their appreciation by taking their women out to nice restaurants, or getting them gifts here and there. That might be one of the reasons why picking up the tab on a first date is such an important issue for a lot of us. It’s not about how much money is spent. We can pick up a hot dog in Central Park or go to a free gallery opening. I believe it’s the same as it is with a woman OFFERING to go dutch. It’s not about her paying, it’s about the gesture.


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PeachesNPuddin (formerly NuB)

all of these are great ideas
and personally? i see nothing wrong with rolling dutch! i’m a female, 26 … pretty independent. at times i’ve footed the bill. i normally do this when i have no true interest in the guy … so that i don’t feel obligated to ”pay him back” with a second date. it sounds heartless… but its the cost of the game.

but asian cuisine is pretty decent … try out the mom & pop’s eateries and you’ll save a buck or two too *giggles @ geico*

if you have the redbox (or blue dvd bin) where you’re located… shoot jump on it! a rental for a buck + tax …can’t beat that! cook in… cook together… you’ll REALLY learn some stuff about folks.

the museums are free here (h-town) on thursdays (double check that before you ride out)

parks are pretty live… the beach… all that jazz. jazz it up with ‘’summers in the park” or something similar where ever you’re located. lots of free or inexpensive things to do are there to do … check it out.

enjoy

Oohhhhh if you STILL HAVE YOUR COLLEGE STUDENT ID (military ID) ?? use it!!!! for any/all discounts. -rarely do employees check the validity of these ids they just have to see u flash em, lol-

peace n salutations


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Righteous Mama

Thumbs up! Although…

I wonder sometimes if some dudes are dating so many women that they can’t AFFORD to pay for them those first dates. LOL! Maybe if dudes took their time to get to know one woman seriously they’d have a little more money in the pocket.


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Elle

Hi Throne *waves* :-)

LoL yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa@ PeachesNPuddin

I totally forgot about that aspect: when I pay, best believe I’m not interested and there won’t be a second date. I just hate the feeling of “owing” somebody.


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Mimi in the OC

@ Da Throne: “Would you guys ever ask a guy on a 1st date. If not why not?”

Sorry for such a late reply.
I have made first moves, asked out on dates but this is what came out of it in every case. In my experience, guys tend to think that you are looking to hook up only when you make a first move. Once they realize you are looking for something a little more meaningful, it seems it is a turn off. That’s what I have experienced. I might not have met the right persons, but after those attempts, I decided that I will let men make the first move. Obviously I give hints and some subtle signs that I am “in”, but nothing too straightforward.
Also it seems to me that if a man doesn’t “work” to get to you, you lose “value”, it’s not as rewarding when there was no “hunt” like July mentioned.


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tosweetheart

The reason females still expect men to do the work at the beginning (i.e. paying for the 1st date, making a plan/planning the dates, courting a woman) is because … for the most part… once you get into a real realtionship with a man most things start to fall on the female! The cooking, cleaning, child care, etc…. (not all men, but this is the general norm)

Equality is something men use as an excuse to be lazy and cheap. Women now are not equal!!! Women now do more than they ever did in history because now they are expected to work, pay their half of dates? (LMAO), AND do everything else.

And to add insult to injury, they get paid 25% less for doing the same job as a man.


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tosweetheart

p.s. This was a great article for creative date ideas!


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Spoiled1

Out of the men I’ve dated, I have been fortunate that they’ve all WANTED to pay. Some were even offended I offered. I have even offered to leave a tip, but they wanted to do that as well.
I agree that economics and finances should be taken into consideration when it comes to dating and who pays. There is something in my mind that says if a man is feeling you or is interested he will WANT to pay because he WANTS to make a good impression. Not sure when dating became so complicated?!?! Men seem to not want to pay these days unless they are getting something out of it. My last date took me to Waffle House. Trust me, finances were not his issue. Waffle house is really not a first date kind of spot, but I went along with it, not wanting to seem bougie,stuck up etc. I knew from that he wasn’t really interested in me. Surely if you are interested in a woman you take her some place other than Waffle House. Right?


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NWSO

@Spoiled1

Yes, you’re right the WANT to do more for a woman is a reflection of him liking you. And yes, i’d imagine that the Waffle House isn’t the most impressive first date spot. BUT there’s a difference between wants and one’s financial capabilities as well as wants and just not knowing better.

Maybe to him Waffle House was the shit. Or, maybe he just doesn’t have the ends to ball out on a fancier establishment. Aside from the actual date location, how was the actual date? Did y’all have a good time? Did he make you happy? At the end of the day/date, doesn’t the overall experience of the date mean more than where the date took place? Just don’t think Waffle House = He doesn’t like me.

Think the point of this post wasn’t about who pays and who doesn’t. There’s a recession and people have to be smarter about how they spend their money across the board. Sure, the idea of a man paying sounds nice (to women) but if a man doesn’t have it, why should he have to live up to those expectations?

Thankfully, since losing my job the women in my circle are more understanding and have no problem splitting, paying or going a less upscale. How much you spend doesn’t = how much you care.


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Spoiled1

NWSO,

Point taken. I agree 100% that people should be smarter about how they spend their money across the board. I have never had an issue with paying regardless of the man’s ability to do so. I would never expect a man to pay if he was unemployed and didn’t have it. That’s a low blow.

Before the economic downfall, I had interests in the date ideas listed above. Volunteering, and working out together is something I would do regardless. I just haven’t been so lucky yet. Maybe this recession will force us into being more creative or perhaps bring back old school courtship–sitting on the porch drinking homemade lemonade…lol






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