Don’t Listen to Her, Listen to Him

November 13th 2008 in Battle of the Sexes, Relationships/Love


In 1992, John Gray, Ph.D. published a book called, Men are From Mars, Women are From Venus. Although I never read the book, I believe what he was trying to convey with that phrase is that the sexes are so different emotionally/mentally that they’re practically worlds apart. I’ve found that to be most true when it comes to communication. In terms of male/female verbal interaction, I abide by a pretty simple rule: Listen to what a man says, not what he does, and listen to what a woman does, not what she says. (Of course actions of “doing” can not actually talk or “say” anything, but let’s just overlook that structural sentence flaw in my saying for now—thanx).

Anyway, I mentioned this philosophy to a female friend the other days and she was quick to fire back, “But I thought you’re supposed to judge a man by his actions.” True, in a general sense, but when it comes to relationships and intimacy, I beg to differ. Let me elaborate…

Let’s say a guy and a girl meet and start to date/hang out/chill—for clarity’s sake we’ll call them Jack and Jill. Now, when Jack met Jill, he told her that he wasn’t looking for anything serious. Jill says the same thing and the two start “hanging out.” This non-relationship continues for a few months and they eventually become intimate. At this point Jack reiterates his stance of not looking for a relationship. Once again, Jill concurs and says that she can have sex with no strings attached. She may say the words, but chances are she doesn’t mean it because very few females are wired that way.

As this undefined affair continues, Jack showers Jill with flowers “just because,” he calls her regularly, he meets her friends, and they both have clothes and other personal items at each other’s house. Jill, who willingly agreed to no-strings-attached status, starts to perceive Jack’s actions as signs that he wants more, despite his constant verbal declarations of the contrary. See, Jill has stopped listening to what Jack is saying, and is instead focusing on what he does. This is where most ladies make a fatal assumption.

Despite the total and utter illogicality of Jack’s conflicting signals, Jill should not assume that he is ready for a relationship. Why? Because Jack made himself perfectly clear from jump and has remained unwavering in that decision ever since. His actions have nothing to do with his statements. Jill should listen to what he said (and continues to say) not what he does.

On the flipside of this scenario, is Jill, whose actions are not aligning with her own statements. Each time Jack reiterates his desire to remain single, Jill has agreed and offered up a similar assessment of their dealings. Still, the proverbial strings that she said would not exist between them are slowly starting to pop up left and right. Jill gets jealous when Jack goes out with his boys, she subconsciously cut off lines of communication with other potential suitors and she has become visibly territorial regarding Jack and other women. Although Jill says she doesn’t want anything more, her actions and emotions are suggesting otherwise. In this instance, Jack has to listen to what Jill does and not what she says.

Despite the total and utter illogicality of the conflicting signals, Jack should not take Jill at her word regarding a relationship when her body language is saying so much more. Why? Because Jill is only telling Jack what she thinks he wants to hear. Deep down inside she knows those words are hollow and false. Her actions are a reflection of her true feelings. With so much of her emotions invested in their non-labeled relationship, Jill would probably accept Jack’s offer for a true relationship in a heartbeat if he asked.

Now just to clarify, I’m not endorsing the idea of a woman waiting around forever for a man to make up his mind about her. No, that’s not my message at all. What I mean when I say listen to what a man says, not what he does and listen to what a woman does, not what she says, is this: If a man tells you over and over again that he doesn’t want a relationship, chances are very slim that he will waver from that decision anytime soon. Sure, he may act like he wants one by doing sweet things and expressing himself to you emotionally, but more credence should be given to his actual statements. He told you from jump what he wanted and what he expected; so how can you fault him for holding true to his word? He held up his end of the agreement and never changed, while the other party tried to change the rules mid-game.

See, women can go on for days about how they can have sex with no strings attached, but from my experience there are only a select few people (regardless of being male or female) that can actually adhere to that philosophy. The simple fact of the matter is the more physical intimacy you have with a person the more attached you get. Men are just better at detaching emotion from the physical. So fellas, if a woman tells you she isn’t looking for a relationship, but acts differently, chances are she wants a relationship. She’s just hoping you change your mind or is no longer listening to what you’re saying and paying more attention to your actions. I’m not saying that every man won’t or can’t change their mind, but don’t hold your breath, ladies, just listen.

Did my philosophy make any sense? Or did it come off like a crock of shit? Is it impossible for women to have sex with no strings attached? Is a man wrong for acting like he wants to be in relationship even when he constantly says he doesn’t want to be in one?

Speak your piece….

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“Don’t Listen to Her, Listen to Him”
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Vegas International

PREACH!!


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Kim

Jack and Jill should not play house if that’s not what either of them want. No flowers, nothing. However, if Jack notices Jill’s change in behavior, and feels she might want more, address it and stop sexing her just because. If Jill knows shes changed her mind, address it…and stop showering the dude with attention. I know it’s easier said then done.


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Jae

so what about those little situations where the Jack is saying he wants the relationship and loves you but then his actions say ‘i want to be a single man’? Damn, men are from Mars lol


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Naked With Socks On

That just means Jack is a gottdamn liar… LOL


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MBB Founder and Editor Denene Millner

And men accuse US of being complicated… sheesh. Simply put: ALL of us should back up our words with action. He’s wrong for knowingly stringing her along, and she’s wrong for letting herself get strung.

It’s a wonder any of us end up in relationships, huh?


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Hannah

Full on Crock of shit. Especially the sexist part about women not being able to distance their emotions or clearly communicate their desires. We can fuck just like you can, we just tend to be classier about it.

This is where all parties need to work on becoming emotionally evolved and truthful with themselves. We’re adults and part of being an adult is being able to book club shit out. The term”casual sex” is an oxymoron. There’s no such thing as “no strings attached” in this age of AIDS and STDs that laugh at penicillin. There’s responsibility attached even if you’re not trying to keep the person you’re shagging. It means you need to learn to play responsibly protecting both your bodies and your emotions. Don’t sign up for what you know you can’t handle.

Truth be told, all human interaction is a “relationship”. You have a “relationship” with the person you buy your latte from every morning. They are the person who makes sure you have coffee. You are a part of each other’s lives whether you’re acknowledging it or not. I think the key is clearly defining what “not serious” is and what that means to you. Have some real,detailed conversation from the gate and revisit it again if you see either one of you moving from what you’d agreed. Communicate.

Sex should be a mutual act of kindness. Even in a “casual” arrangement,there should be respect and common courtesy. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have a conversation about how you feel that’s demonstrated in a casual relationship. Especially since people in general have different frames of reference for what constitutes as intimacy. For example, I love to cook. I think it’s safe to assume that a brother would think if I was cooking for him, I was auditioning for a slot as wifey.

Wrong.

I cook because I like to cook and I like it when people like my cooking. I do what makes me happy.

I think the main problem is people have been conditioned to engage in sex without being kind or respectful to each other. I personally think you shouldn’t ever sleep with someone you wouldn’t consider good company at dinner. I mean,if there isn’t anything you admire or enjoy about the person you’re fucking,it’s just human propelled masturbation.

I have a musician friend who has managed to perfect the casual relationship dance by simply being honest. It’s a marvel to watch. All the women he’s sleeping with know they’re not the only one. He’s romantic, attentive and respectful. When he thinks either one might be getting too deep and not simply living for the experience, he politely and respectfully backs off. He’s one of the only men I know that remained friends with almost all of the women he’s slept with. I think it’s because even though he’s not trying to settle down, he still treats his lovers with kindness and respect.


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dom

To me, the philosophy doesn’t make sense. I’ve heard a lot about this, women changing the rules mid-game, but it sounds to me like Jack was just as guilty. If you don’t want a girlfriend, don’t pretend you have one! That seems simple enough to me. Jill’s mistake was falling for this guys BS (that’s all the flowers and gifts were) and allowing him to get away with saying one thing while doing another.

Women who get themselves in these types of situations just need to grow a little back bone. I bet you if Jill let Jack know she was still dating other men since they weren’t official, things would have ended differently.


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Hannah

damn..sorry for writing a book


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Michael A. Gonzales

who are these random white folks in the pictures?


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Germaine

wow. im steering SO clear of this one….

I’ve tried TOO many times to discuss this topic and I’ve learned my lesson…


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Naked With Socks On

Ah, my dearest Hannah…

I actually said “very few females are wired that way” not all. And later on I pointed out that “from my experience there are only a select few people (regardless of being male or female) that can actually adhere to that philosophy” of sex with no string attached. So only slightly sexist, not 100%, because i know sex connects folks regardless of gender and emotions get wrapped up. I guess that part/point wasn’t expressed clear enough

**Shrugs**

Dom,

How was Jack playing games when he stated himself clearly. What if he’s just an emotionally expressive guy and likes Jill’s company, should he not express that and treat her shitty just because he doesn’t want a relationship? Every time they spoke about where they were going he held steadfast to his stance and Jill agreed. So who’s more at fault? Jack for making himself clear while also being caring or Jill for recognizing that Jack couldn’t give her what she wanted but choosing to stay with him anyway?

I’m just saying

Mike,

What’s your issue with pale faces? LOL


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dom

^^ Thats not what was going on in my opinion. I dont care how many times he said he didnt want to be with her, he was buying her gifts and sending her mixed signals!

Jack was playing games because he was saying one thing while acting another. Sounds to me like even if he wasnt stringing Jill along, he was guilty of lying to himself.

My issue is that men dont recieve a free pass to say one thing while acting another, and women are supposed to be smart enough to know the difference. Think how much easier that whole situation would have been if the two were actually honest with eachother and honest with their emotions!

Not to sound all bitter black woman, but I have a good friend who lived this same story for a year, so I can recognize the BS when I see it. If Jill doenst get what she wants then she needs to keep it moving. I’d say the same thing to Jack. They obviously want two different things so why waste time playing boyfriend/cut buddy when they could both go out and find what they’re looking for?


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Naked With Socks On

Think you hit nail on head and got the point of the whole post. Listen to what a man says, if he said he didn’t want a relationship he probably means it. Forget how he acts, what he does and what you THINK he wants, when you ask him the question just go with the answer he gives you. If you don’t like it, it’s your decision afterwards to stay or leave. That goes for a man or a woman.

Trust, I’ve been Jack plenty of times and even been Jill (metaphorically speaking of course). But it’s on the person to choose their fate of staying or leaving based on what Jack tells them… But either way you were warned.

off my soapbox


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MzVersatile

WOW, I’m gonna be honest here and bare my soul right now. I just went through this situation 7 months ago. I remember it being cool when we first started to hang out (FYL: we dated for 2 years). I was all no strings attached and in sexual bliss one day and the next thing u know I looked up realized I was in love with the man. I didn’t say anything for a while; at the time I wasn’t ready to walk away from what we had if telling him didn’t go my way. Eventually scheduled “talk time” over a homemade meal (he cooked) and I told him how I felt and I wanted to know if I he felt the same way. To my disappointment he didn’t want to be in a relationship but rather he preferred to keep things the way they were. I had to woman up and let it burn. He and I are still friends, meaning we talk on the phone or shoot IMs every now and then. When I look back on the situation I know that I played myself; he was a gentleman and a great friend, we just wanted different things at that point in our lives. In response to the article, I’ve grown since then and I’m stronger for it but I don’t wanna see myself in that situation again. I’m keeping my heart guarded for a while; it’s way too much trouble tryna to figure out the body/spoken language of men. I’m kinda tired right now.


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Hannah

Ans,

100% or 20%, the first assertion was still sexist. If it wasn’t, there would be no need to backpedal later on down the post.;) You should have just said what you stated in your comment:

“sex connects folks regardless of gender and emotions get wrapped up”.

Both men and women get caught out there, emo styles. Men are the new women,haven’t you heard?

Jokes aside,I still call bullshit on the theory that men and women don’t speak the same language. I think our dialects may be slightly different, but the language is still the same.

I don’t think this particular issue is a man vs woman issue, but one of a person’s maturity, accountability and self-awareness. If you’re paying attention,people let you know what they’re about from the gate. If you continue to sign up for something less than what you want, it’s on you. It’s not hard to recognize. Ask yourself,”Is this working for me?” I think anyone would benefit from taking into consideration a person’s actions AND words, but most of all, listening to themselves.


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zILLa

*high fives Hannah*

…but!, I also agree with the overall message in this post.
I’ve seen lots of women (AND MEN!!!) make up fairytales in their minds when they shouldn’t. Communication IS key. Of course actions should act as valid relationship indicators, but if the person you’re seeing tells you they don’t want a commitment- that’s officially YOUR bad if you choose not to hear them.


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fayemi

hannah’s on point. The philosphy might not make sense but lots of us can attest it pretty much goes down just like you said Ans, unless you’re in the minority that can handle it.

Once feelings get involved on either side, you done messed up in the game. That’s just the problem. Sex should not be treated like a game. You’ve got to treat it and the person you’re involved with his love and respect. Even if its not romantic love that you feel.

Is it wrong for a man to act like he wants to be in a relationship when he constantly says he doesn’t want to be in one? I wouldn’t say it’s wrong, but it is shaky ground. I would be confused and if I really liked the guy, I’d probably fall for him.

The best thing to do if you’re in this situation is to go with the flow, continue to date other people (not sleep with) and evaluate the situation regularly. But if you’re hoping the non-committal man or woman will ever come around… that’s a long shot. Don’t project too far into the future. Just live in the moment, be respectful and most of all be honest. Good post!


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Meeks

The old adage is judge a man by what he does, not what he says. Got it wrong this time, playa!


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Meeks

Oh, my bad. Had to read the rest. You’re on point. Sigh!


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Eblu

We can talk about this topic until we’re blue **eblu** in the face. It all depends on the individuals in the relationship.

Some women do tend to try and read between the lines and see more than there really is to the relationship. Can you blame her when he has introduced you to his friends, coworkers, trusted you alone in his house, given you the keys to his SUV and his wallet, spent weekends with you without leaving the house, …. hmmm… this is starting to sound like my last relationship, then he drops you without a word? There was no pressure from you. He hung out with his boys. You didn’t sweat him.

You try to find out what happened. He will not communicate with you through snail mail, voice mail, text, IM, tin cans, nuthin…nada. You are just trying to find out what happened. And since you are an adult and will not just pop up unannounced, you let it go. You’ve even given him the out, telling him if he’s met someone else, it’s cool, just let you know and it will be squashed. You get nothing.

Nine months later he makes contact and eventually tells you the relationship was too easy. What the…. Isn’t this something that could have been talked about? No communication whatsoever.

So, right now, I’m on MzVersatile’s page. I’m done~


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Recording History

This is a very interesting topic. I admit that I am a bit perplexed. I must ask you NWSO, WHY? Everyone has a whole lot to say but no one has an answer for WHY? Or maybe I just missed it.

If all Jack wants is sex then why treat your sex buddy like your girlfriend when you can obviously see that it is confusing the woman and blurring the lines? If Jack feels the need to constantly reiterate the status of the relationship then why does he continue to treat Jill in a way that only confuses her. And once its clear that Jill has her own agenda (regardless of the words coming out of her mouth), why doesn’t Jack let her go?

I have nothing to say about a woman in that situation. I have a friend who has be in the Jack and Jill scenario for 8 years. I would have peaced out the first time he said, I only want you for fun time.

But seriously. WHY?


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This Bug

Wow. Lots of insight on this post & in the comments. If the real question is WHY- I think I have a theory. Men give love to get sex. Women give sex to get love. Or should I say men give the illusion of love because they know or think that deep down that is what every woman wants. This way, they can keep up the charade while staying out of a “relationship”. But one commenter made a good point that everyone is in a relationship- no matter what label you put on it. Platonic, Sexual, Romantic, Committed, etc.

I think women say that they are OK with just having a cut buddy when the dude suggests that’s all he wants because A. She may think she can handle the no-strings-attached bumping or B. She hopes eventually he will change his mind and make her Wifey and she doesn’t want to scare him off by admitting this up front- so she says she’s cool with the arrangement.

Either way, Jack and Jill are not keeping it real with themselves or each other. It’s unfortunate because communication would alleviate the inevitable confusion and/or heartbreak that comes along with this physical Ping-Pong.

Your theory, while somewhat flawed is correct on many levels- but this begs another question. Are we to believe or ears, eyes or hearts when “The Talk” about “where is this all going” finally takes place? I guess it depends on the individuals involved.


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Naked With Socks On

Hey Recording History,

It’s hard to give a why since in this case there is no specific “jack” or “Jill” I just came up with the scenario which happens every day. But, not to be mistaken as being sexist, I’ll say this: I still don’t see the issue with “Jack’s” actions. Some people are nice people, some are assholes. If Jack is part of the former and is just an affectionate person and doesn’t know any other way to interact with a woman, why should that be held against him? Jack might just be a sweet and romantic guy that just doesn’t want a relationship.He does sweet shit because that’s who he is, but if Jack was an asshole, he probably wouldn’t be as confusing to Jill. Dunno.

I guess guys operate more logically and may feel clearly stating their intentions is enough to clear things up for Jill. While Jill may go off how Jack makes her feel emotionally and focus on that despite what he’s saying.

And I see the confusion emotionally, but still don’t know why Jack gets the short end of the stick for being consistent? Day one, what did he say? I don’t want a relationship. Day 15, what did he say? I don’t want a relationship. The final day, what did he say? I don’t want a relationship. Sure his actions may have SUGGESTED other but Jack was consistent throughout in his words. It’s like if there’s a sign that says Beware of Dog but you don’t see the dog and enter the gate and get bit. Who’s fault is that? The sign was there, you just chose to ignore it and got bit.


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R. H.

Thanks for your response.

And although it is coming from an accurate source, you being a guy and all, that still does not change my opinion that a guy just wants to sting a girl along. Because if you know the girl is getting hooked and you know what you want, why don’t men simply let the girl go?

And I don’t see the consistency. If a man was consistent then his actions would be as clear as his words. Since “men can have sex with no strings attached”, then that should not be so hard right? That being the truth so many men agreed to, I don’t see why a man wont end the “casual” relationship once the girl becomes too attached.

Furthermore, I will admit that I believe MOST (not all) women lie to themselves when they believe they can have sex with no strings attached. Although men think they can, I believe they lie to themselves also. Even men get jealous when they see the girl with someone else. And yes, that is confusing to a girl. The bottom line is sex is an intimate action. Emotions and feelings will get involved regardless of gender. Why should anyone deny that?


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fayemi

I love R.H. We should ALL be consistent with our actions as well as our words but particularly Jack. That would alleviate the mess and the confusion. Jack doesn’t have to be an asshole. Jack can be still be sweet. Certain gifts and gestures could be mistaken as romantic, beyond just sweet. For instance, taking her out to lunch… sweet. Going for a walk in the park afterwards, hand in hand… romantic. Buying her a CD you think she’d like…sweet. Sending her flowers…romantic. See how confusing this can be? Eventually Jill will read more into it or become disatisfied because she’ll want more. Trying to find the woman that is the exception to this conundrum is a waste of precious energy Jack could put into a healthy, loving relationship. I think Jack is afraid of something and is a little selfish if he prefers these arrangements. But it takes two to tango. If Jill agrees, ultimately she put herself there.

Personally, I don’t know how men (or women) can sleep with people they have no feelings for and can’t see themselves with in a relationship. Why hold back emotionally? Why not just go all in and see what happens? I think most men take their time opening up. A lot women therefore make certain concessions to allow Jack the time he needs to get to know her. It gets messed up though, when Jill gives Jack too much too soon. Now Jack is focused on the sex and not Jill as a person.

At the end of the day, it’s the woman’s choice. It’s never a good idea to agree to NSA sex. Why not just say I enjoy spending time with you and we’ll see where it goes? Jill should be honest with herself and Jack from the door. I think it’s insensitive to say Jill misread the “signs” but true nonetheless. – off my soapbox.


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Naked With Socks On

NP, RH

End of the day no situation is clear cut. Jack and Jill above are fictional, but clearly they exist in a lot of people’s experiences based on comments.

While I’m not defending the Jacks of the world, we all know it’s hard to walk away from something that feels right regardless whether or not you know it might not be the best for you or the other person. If that’s the case people wouldn’t eat junk food. And at the end of the day no one can do anything to you that you don’t allow them to do to you.

I’ve been in Jack situations where I genuinely enjoyed Jill’s company, but she realized where we were headed and she walked away before it got too deep. Although I knew it was for the best, you hate to see someone you care about go away. Depending on folks that could end up being your best friend or an ex-friend.

As for the emotional attachment, you’re right it does go both ways. Cause I’ve been Jill a lot my damn self. Perhaps that’s why I feel Kanye’s new music so much… LOL


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Kidada78

WOW!! LOVE this post!! And its subsequent comments. My only retort– mofo’s lie A LOT!! So it is best as women to go with your gut and your first decision. If what you want is not what you are getting move on. Don’t wait and see- don’t wonder about why he does and says whatever- that wastes brain cells and time. Guys are this way- they don’t change into the “perfect man” until they are ready. there is no special girl per se. When it comes to men it is maturation over a perfect situation. So let him do him and move on :)


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Perfect Storm

To Mz. Versatile and eblu:

I sooooooooooooooooo hear what you’re saying. “It was too easy.” Why do men always seem to like the chick with all the drama, but if you give a little drama, they want to act like you’re being difficult???

I think I’m done for a minute, too.

To NWSO: Harsh truths suck!


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Janee TMB

Is illogicality a word? Just askin’…


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Naked With Socks On

according to my spell check and trusty dictionary it is:

il⋅log⋅i⋅cal⋅i⋅ty   [i-loj-i-kal-i-tee] Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ties.
1. illogic.
2. an example of illogic: an argument notable for its illogicalities.
Origin:
1820–30; illogical + -ity


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anonymous

Ummmm am I the only one that is tiiiiiirrrrrrreeeeedddd of the women are from mars men are from venus bull?? Just over it. Can we get grown and fuck all the action vs. words shit and communicate? OPEN UP YOUR MOUTH AND SAY WHAT YOU MEAN AND MEAN WHAT YOU SAY. Otherwise keep your actions and your words to yourself. Who has time for this mess???

Men, you know damn well how women generally think and interpret shit so stop pulling the Jack-moves all the time and then being confused when Jill is confused (you know damn well what you were doing). Ladies, let’s stop playin ourselves and listen to yourself…for real, listen to yourself and stop getting pissy as Jack for believing you when you say you can handle some shit you can’t….

NEXT SUBJECT!


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Stormy

Although I’m not completly for all this. I hear it, I have taken it in and it has guided me just a bit. I think there is some truth…but what about those that lie (both men and woman)? Those people who say “I love you and care about you and want to be with you” but actions speak different?

I’m just a 23 year old trying to learn =)


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NWSO

Of course everything is not cut and dry. This was just my personal assessment of one scenario. There are exceptions to every rule and not everyone if truthful or deceitful.


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Stormyweathers25 ...formerly known as Stormy

NWSO

I hear you…didn’t think you would respond…lol.

Perhaps I was airing on the specifics side, couldn’t help it!

As I get older I really start to understand that there just may be truth in this men and women difference thing. But than again I’m also a psych major.


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Nieshia

I can honestly say that i can have sex with no strings attached at all. i mean we just did the thing and if i see u the next day you dont have to say noting to be. is that bad? Its kinda scary but its the truth


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P. Lynn

I can honestly say that the whole article described me the woman who gets wrapped up too much.

I just too a long hard look at myself and realized I might as well be celibate because of it all. I am a very emotional person.
I salute you Anslem.
I think that I a 23yr old female fresh out of college still has time to “play” but, I hate it. So what do I do??


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NWSO

what you do is love with your heart, listen with your ears, speak what you mean, and analyze with your brain


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LaTonya

thanks nwso great post…i get it…it hurts…but i get it


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